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I’m searching grad posts and comments locally for the word “nuke” and “nuclear” using new sort and there’s a whole lot of worry about states using them, some people saying more nuclear armed states would make everyone more careful and less violent but no calls for nuclear genocide.
Before I say this I wanna be as clear as possible: claiming that a whole group of people are Nazis that wanna commit nuclear genocide is serious. I’m not asking for evidence to waste your time, or to avoid doing my own searches. I have looked for myself and come up empty handed. The claims I’m seeing fly in the face of what grad says their standard is, what their modlog bear their standard out to be and my own limited experience with grad users.
I am posting here not to start a fight or waste peoples time, but because I’m open to being wrong and want to find out more.
Can you show me the comments calling for race based nuclear holocaust? If you can’t, can you point me to the instance I should search on or whose modlog I should look on to find them?
Really!? 17 hours of looking and you still haven't found the reason they were defederated!? Remind me not to hire you as a research assistant. That sort of willful belligerence isn't very useful. I should start calling you Clayton Bigsby.
It’s starting to look like there isn’t any…
I’ve really tried to be kind and courteous to people when asking about this stuff but the level of pushback and runaround just in response to my comments in this thread are absurd.
When someone doesn’t see the thing you say is happening, what’s the big deal with showing them?
I’m not trying to win an argument or waste anyone’s time (a person could argue I’m wasting my own).
If there are posts espousing the tenets of national socialism, hating the working class or calling for nuclear genocide why not just link them?
I’m trying in what little free time I have to find evidence but it’s not forthcoming! I have to cast a wide net and that makes the search slow. If you know what to look for or where to look, tell me!
Unless of course it’s all made up…
Well then you better take your conspiracy to the lemmy.world admins fast! They need to know they were wrong. Better hurry! Don't want innocent little goosesteppers unable to post here!
I'm sorry we separated you from your fascist fuck buddies.
Why are you so disingenuously belligerent?
Off you go, you've got important things to discuss with the lemmy.world admins. I'm sure they're eager to hear about your lack of findings. They'll want to act on those immediately.
I don’t wanna snitch to your mods and I don’t care who they defederate or why.
I want to see the thing that you’re claiming since its so wildly different from what I’ve experienced and dug up.
If grad is Nazis that’s a big deal. Why not take even the smallest step to show how?
Well you won't find them on an instance defederated from them. I can't help you if you want to look for fish in the sky.
Why won't you make the minimal amount of effort to find what you're looking for by looking in the right places?
For somone so concerned about the oppression of Nazis you sure do spend a lot of time not doing anything about it.
I’m not asking for evidence of the stuff that caused world to defederate from grad, I’m asking you to provide just the barest hint of direction about where to find evidence for your claims made in response to my comment in this thread which you posted.
You don’t think the trustworthy person making the accusation is the right place to start?
I know you are. You're disingenuously trying to assert that the position I hold and is held by hundreds of other users who agreed with the defederation and have seen evidence first hand that you're individual opinion is relevant. It's not. They were removed for cause, your lack of cognizance in the matter is a you problem, and I'm not wasting my time shedding the ignorance of the wilfully ignorant.
In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree.
If you were legitimately concerned instead of trying to push your agenda you'd be capable of finding what you need.
So far I’ve only been trying in vain to get you to provide a shred of evidence for your claim that grad users adhere to the tenets of national socialism and hate the working class. I even expanded it to pointing me in the direction of where to find it so you wouldn’t have to see something triggering or go offsite.
You can’t call me willfully ignorant in anything approaching good faith when I show the work I’ve done to educate myself about your claims and ask for help and you instead call me belligerent.
As I said before, I’m not trying to argue against the defederation. World can and has defederated from all kinds of instances for all kinds of reasons. That’s not what I’m interested in.
OK Clayton.
I guess this post is calling me a white supremacist?
All through this thread I’m focused on learning what you have to share and in all your replies you obfuscate, try to change the subject, insult and accuse me of crazy stuff like this.
If you have anything to back up your claim that grad has adherents to the tenets of national socialism or users that hate the working class, please post it.
What do you get when you have 10 people at a table with one Nazi?
11 Nazis. Even if you refuse to look at them.
Okay so point at them so I can’t look away then.
Show even a sliver of evidence that grad users adhere to the tenets of national socialism or hate the working class.
I haven’t for one second tried to avoid evidence or deny it when presented.
Mostly because it was not presented.
But even if you were to say something like “well, there was this one thread with a title like blah blah and some grad users of banned for hate speech in it” that would be better than what you’re doing now, which is calling me names, accusing me of being a Nazi, making the accusation that I’m just not paying attention to what’s around me.
In the time we’ve been commenting back and forth you could have registered a sock puppet on grad, posted some Nazi shit and pointed to it!
So if you can even gesture in the direction of grad users who uphold the tenet of national socialism and say they hate the working class, why not do it? Why not prove your statements? Why deflect and try to change the subject and accuse and call names?
Why can’t you just back up what you say in even the tiniest way?
There's a whole instance of evidence, you don't see it as evidence because you agree with it.
Okay so you’re talking about all of grad right?
So I should be able to easily search for things like “national socialism” “working class” and some different permutations of the 25 points and have the proof, right?
But looking for those things doesn’t bring up users talking about how they uphold the tenets or hate the working class. I found people talking about how those ideas are bad and arguing about weather hating some identity means you hate the working class, but no one seriously saying that they hate the working class or that they agree with national socialism.
So that’s why I’m here, asking the same question over and over of someone who now just responds with images.
Is there some equivalency being implied here to say that communists and Nazis are the same?
Where is it?
You said there’s grad users that adhere to the tenets of national socialism and who hate the working class. Show me where.
Do anything but deflect, insult or accuse.
What do you tell a Nazi with two black eyes? Nothing, you've already told them twice.
That’s funny and you’re maybe missing why I want to see the Nazis:
I hate Nazis as much as you’re purporting to. If a place that seems by all I can tell extremely anti Nazi is actually Nazis I want to know!
If you want to get the word out about the crypto Nazi grad users then do it! Shame them!
Show me the grad users that are posting about how they support the tenets of national socialism or how they hate the working class!
Mainly because fuck you.
We know what you're doing.