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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First of all, thank you! <3

Population bottleneck: I'm reading about a bottleneck 900'000 years ago. Isn't humanity only 200'000 years old?

I'm also very interested about the climate conditions and 98.7% of humans "being lost". What climate caused that dying? Does that change somehow relate to today's climate change, and does the risk of population reduction translate as well?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes (200kโ€“300.000), that's why it says pre-humans...we didn't arise out of nowhere, it was a continuous evolution and it seems like if those had died out we wouldn't be here. (However, that's not settled, there are substantial reasonable doubts over these results as hinted at with "While alternative explanations are possible" and elaborated in the other comments here.)

Good question, it wasn't a warming and even if it was, I don't think it can easily be translated to today's climate change. They refer to the Early-to-Middle Pleistocene Transition (not much info at that page though). If it's linked, that doesn't mean it caused it โ€“ I think people in that regard far too often think of (especially singular) causes instead of contributors within a complex interconnected set of causal factors. Maybe you're interested in this non-included paper from the same month which projects an upcoming large sudden population decline โ€“ it's just not substantiated and one can't just compare modern humans with other animal populations.