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Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity
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And so is heart disease. Nothing more masculine as dropping from a clogged heart.
Or diabetes and GERD ... nothing like frothing at the mouth with a diabetic attack or sleeping with a breathing mask and oxygen to make you look like a man.
As a diabetic your example, well intentioned as it may be, is completely wrong in pretty much every way.
I'm not diabetic ... but half my family is (and I have a big family) ... and I've seen my share of out of control diabetics who have full blown attacks because they are so chaotic that they don't bother monitoring themselves or their disease. I'm Indigenous Canadian from northern Ontario and I have a pretty dysfunctional family ... I've seen young men in their 20s with out of control diabetes ... people in their 30s with blood sugar so freaking high, you wonder why they are still alive .. .people in their 40s with amputations due to diabetes ... and people dying in their 50s from the disease. It's terrible. On many occasions I've had to call ambulances and take family and friends to emerg because they were helplessly losing control of their mind and bodies due to diabetes ... it isn't pretty and absolutely terrifying.
As to the GERD ... that disease affects mostly my affluent friends in cities and towns in the south ... I have four friends who are in their 50s who have severe GERD to the point where they can't breathe at night because the reflux is affecting their esophagus and obstructing their airway ... and the only way they can properly breathe at night is with a mask and oxygen.
I've been a type 1 diabetic for 12 years and a director at a kids camp for type 1 diabetics for 5 years. There is no such thing as a "diabetic attack". There is high blood sugar (because diabetics either don't make or don't process insulin) and there is low blood sugar (because an insulin dependent diabetic took too much insulin). What you are trying to describe is a diabetic seizure which 99% of the time is an accidental overdose of insulin (low blood sugar).
Now if you're trying to talk about complications from uncontrolled diabetes from a lifetime of not taking care of it yes that is terrible, but that's the minority of diabetics and you have to go to pretty extreme lengths of not taking care of it (literally years/decades) to get to that point, so let's not act like the issue is the diabetes itself.
And even if we ignore all that what the fuck does that have to do with eating meat? Most diabetics prefer a high protein diet because it's CARBS that raise blood sugar. If you're argument is meat = fat = overweight then 2 things, overweight doesn't cause diabetes (it's a factor for type 2 only), and 2: the issue still isn't the diabetes, it's the complete lack of caring for a medical issue.
Ok, real fast a couple of things. Hyperglycemia (that high blood sugar attack) can absolutely cause altered mental status, LOC and even death. It also doesnt take a lifetime to do that much damage. The person doesnt take their medication, eats fast food for all their meals and going to the bathroom is their daily exercise, it can happen as soon as the crow dude states. A vegan diet can be healthy for even a diabetic. Do a low carb high protein vegan diet. Also the carbs in a good vegan diet useally consist of complex carbs and fiber, so a low glycemic index. How do I know this? Heath care provider that is diabetic, vegan and now healthier than I have been since I was a teeny.
Lastly, dont dump on someone for calling it a diabetic attack. Unless they said they're in healthcare, its fine. Sorry to the Canadian crow guy, its painful to watch family slowly kill themselves.
I never said a vegan diet wasn't also an option, but out of the hundred diabetics I talk with on a yearly basis many are on a high protein (meat) diet, a handful are vegan. It is absolutely an option but this is still completely irrelevant to the actual post.
I am very familiar with what high blood sugar can cause and never said it couldn't cause any of the issues you listed, including unconsciousness. I experienced it myself just before getting diagnosed, not a lot of fun. But again claiming meat = diabetes = any of the things you said is wildly misleading and gives people the wrong idea about diabetes. All the issues we're talking about aren't because diabetes = problems, they're because unhealthy lifestyle = problems.