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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Are we just going to ignore the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, wherein Stalin let Hitler invade Poland as long as he got half of Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia?

You know what the US never did? Call Hilter and agree to a joint imperialist effort in carving up sovereign nations.

Edit:

"there is one common element in the ideology of Germany, Italy, and the Soviet Union: opposition to the capitalist democracies" or that "it seems to us rather unnatural that a socialist state would stand on the side of the western democracies".

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pariahs_Partners_Predators/ZliWXGydrzAC?hl=en&gbpv=0

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know you didn't watch the video.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The video made by a social media influencer, streamer, and entertainer, not a historian? That video?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No he's a historian, all of their videos are extremely well researched and he's gone on record to clarify multiple times that he is not a socialist. There was even a video where they complained that their work could only get reach if they framed it as entertainment, making it very clear the only reason he does these videos is because they get a lot of reach and make him a lot of money.

You just don't want to watch the video because it showcases how fundamentally evil your underlying views are and you're not ready to accept that maybe you're a lot more pro-nazi than the western media and education has programmed you into thinking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where did he get his history degree?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You think I give a fuck? Liberals will always just dismiss anything with "source??" if they disagree with it, but accept nazi lies wholesale.

For example whenever Ukraine, Russia, China, or North Korea come up, people just believe everything they hear unquestioningly even when they're saying shit like "NK believes that unicorns are real"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Nazi's, and fuck people who cooperate with Nazi's, like the USSR.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who was responsible for the fall of the nazis. Who killed hilter. Say it with me. Stalin. Sta-lin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also is someone who thinks that Stalin killed Hilter really qualified to know if a youtube entertainer is a historian.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatever, keep passively siding with nazis, I don't give a fuck if you want to die on that hill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Like I said, fuck the Nazis, and fuck the people who cooperate with Nazis ahem Stalin.

You gotta self reflect my brother in Christ, because you're the most pro-fascist person in this entire thread.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just for curiosity, how much have you donated to antifascist causes? I'm not talking charity, I mean actual direct action.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you explain how this is relevant to you being the most pro-fascism person in this thread?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just think it would be funny if you talked all this talk about being antifascist and yet haven't ever put your money where your mouth is.

Like are you genuinely antifascist, or are you just a racist liberal who hasn't come to grips with the fact that they're not the good guy, because I've dealt with a lot of guilty white people caked up on cognitive dissonance who will go around projecting accusations but the instant it's time to show up for real action, they're nowhere to be found. You don't have to answer because normal people don't get this invested on picking a side when both sides are overwhelmingly evil.

50 bucks. Food not bombs. Prove me wrong. Don't do it for me, do it for your community.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man you really try so hard to distract from the fact that Stalin was a fascist who was friendly with Hilter, up until the moment Hitler betrayed him.

Siding with the Nazis for 2 years is 2 years too long.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold on... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

You can address the fascist roots of Nazi Germany originating from America while also recognizing the fascist roots of modern day Russia originating from the USSR. This is the problem with building your world view around "which side" you're on, it makes you completely blind to the underlying evil from your faction. Like bless their hearts because they're absolutely in the right place but I cringe every time a communist feels they need to side with something everyone can agree was bad because it was their side doing it, just like I cringe every time a liberal opens their mouth because they can't go three sentences without supporting some fascist regime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're the one supporting a fascist regime, this entire discussion started because you claimed that being anti USSR is someone being pro Nazi.

The USSR was demonstrably more friendly to Hitler than the US, because it was fascist, ruled by a dictator, and had imperialist dreams of cutting up Europe with Hitler.

The US sure is imperialist and fascist and bad, the USSR was the imperialist and fascist parts of the US, dialed up to 12.

I cringe every time a tankie opens their mouth because every sentence is a nostalgia-fetishizing ultra-nationalism for Soviet fascist dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I give up. You refuse to do even the bare minimum to address the fascism that you carry. You're a fraud who deep down believes in the nazis and likes what they did. You're just waiting for an opportunity to betray the left, mark my words it's only a matter of time before it happens and when it does, remember that I told you so and that there won't be any going back when people see you for who you are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No man, it's really easy to denounce fascism. Fuck fascism in Nazu Germany, in the United States, in Russia, and in the USSR.

You're the only one who feels the need to defend a fascist institution. Ironic to talk about addressing "that fascism that you carry" when you have that going on my dude.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Only because fascists inevitably eat each other. Nazi fascists and red fascists worked together until one turned on the other.

Say what you want about the US, but they could go right to the Nazi beating without having to cooperate with them first.

And Stalin literally did not kill Hitler. Hitler killed Hitler, in true fascist self-imploding fashion.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are we just going to ignore the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, wherein Stalin let Hitler invade Poland as long as he got half of Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia?

Only after France and England refused a defensive pact against the Nazis, and had already given the Nazis a bunch of territory and industry needed.

Also, would you have preferred that the nazis got all of Poland, Estonia, and Lithuania in the initial invasion? Because that would have led to a lot more deaths in those occupied territories, and might have resulted in the nazis beating the soviet union in 1942, which would have basically meant that the Nazis would have won ww2.