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I think Pascal's Wager is hilarious. Many Christians use it because they really haven't thought about it, and it shows. Here are some examples of how to easily counter it.

  • Which god? This assumption is a specific example of the logical fallacy of false dilemma. Humanity has worshiped between twenty-seven hundred and three thousand different gods since the beginning of recorded history, and those are just the ones we know about. The gods that could exist that we don't know are practically infinite. Pascal himself acknowledged the weakness of this assumption, and later explained he was only speaking in terms of the Christian religion. To my knowledge he never addressed the problem of other religions and the gods they worship.

  • Assuming we somehow manage to choose the right god, how do we know we're worshiping that god in the correct way? There are many different sects of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Christianity in particular has over forty thousand different denominations. Assuming that this god cares about being worshiped at all, how do we know we're worshiping him as he demands? If the Calvinists are correct it doesn't matter how you worship him, your salvation is pre-ordained whether or not you believe. If the Catholics are right salvation is only possible through rituals like communion and the last rites. If the Baptists are correct then only deliberate submission through prayer begging for salvation will do the trick. They can't all be correct.

  • Assuming that we have the right god and are worshiping in the manner that god requires, why would this god accept a lie? No one can force themselves to believe something they don't genuinely think is true. Try forcing yourself to honestly believe that gravity is a myth and that you can float off your seat any time you wish. Simply claiming belief isn't the same as believing. If this god is willing to accept such a lie, how does that make it worthy of worship? If it's capable of being lied to, how does it qualify as a god at all?

  • One should not believe in vampires in the fear that I might get bitten one day. It is irrational to believe something based on fear. Pascal's Wager is an appeal to emotion and says nothing about the validity of the claim.

  • Pascal's wager assumes that if there is an existing god, that it rewards faith and punishes skepticism. There is no way of knowing that skepticism is the virtue being rewarded and that god does not punish faith and irrationality.

  • Christianity takes away time and effort as well as money. If the chances of god are exceedingly low, you have wasted your life.

Can you think of any others? Add a comment to contribute to this list!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal’s_wager

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I remember finding this argument really convincing. It seemed so simple and logical, I didn't understand how nonbelievers couldn't see it. It's incredible how much our mind can suppress critical thinking to conform to our pre-existing beliefs - but yeah, I was also young and dumb