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[–] [email protected] 200 points 1 year ago (5 children)

He’s already lost, this trial is only to determine how much it will cost him. I think it’s more that he’s realized how bad his attorneys are, and that he’s going to lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

And to think, all he had to do was not run for president of the United States (among many other things) and this probably never would have happened to him.

I mean, I’ve never run for president of the United States, it’s a very easy thing to not do.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

He also could have, you know, not crimed.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago

Could he, though? Really?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

That's a lot harder to not do. Much easier to not run for president.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seriously. Had he not ran, or dropped out early, he could have probably started his own fringe news channel and lived a relatively unchanged, trouble free life and probably made some money doing it.

I personally think he expected to lose and wasn’t expecting the Russians to barely tip the scales to eek out an electoral college victory.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same here. There's a photo of him on election night as his win was being declared. Everyone around him looks happy, but he looks like he was just told he has 2 weeks to live.

Had Trump lost to Hillary, he would have done the whole "they stole the election from me" shtick. He'd have launched Trump Tirade Hour where he'd rant about the latest political topics - criticizing the people in charge and declaring that he'd solve everything so easily.

Of course, like his health care plan, Trump would never give details on HOW he'd fix everything. It would just be "A is doing B to fix complex problem C. That's the wrong thing to do. If I was in charge, I'd fix the complex problem easily by.... whoops, looks like it's time for a commercial break!" It would really have been the best job for him. It would have fit his skills of being an armchair critic that understands nothing and yet claims to know more than anyone else.

Sadly, he won and did the whole "I know better than anyone else despite not understanding anything" from the most powerful seat on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I know better than anyone despite not understanding anything

Fucking lol. If this century could have a headline

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But he wants to look cool in front of his friends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can imagine a world where Trumps publicity presidential run starts spinning out and Jared/Ivanka start pulling strings to make it happen. Jared walked away with untold billions and just walks away unscathed. It's disgusting, especially when you think of how the GOP will stop at nothing to bury Hunter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They are desperate to show the Dems are just as bad.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

he’s realized how bad his attorneys are

Maybe he should have paid or listened to the first dozen sets of lawyers he went through.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

He’s almost certainly going to appeal whatever verdict he gets, claiming that he had ineffective legal council and that the judge was biased against him. Because the only effective reason you can appeal is if you don’t believe your trial was fair. So he’s basically stacking the “this trial was unfair” deck in his favor.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate to be that guy, but you can't appeal on ineffective assistance of counsel in a civil proceeding.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since when has something being legal or not ever stopped Trump from trying it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean exactly in this context? Are you saying he will try to appeal on those grounds anyway? If that is what you are saying then it doesn't work like that because the appeals court will simply throw out the appeal for lack of standing I believe.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's exactly what I'm expecting would happen. Trump submits paperwork trying to appeal, it gets rejected for not being valid grounds to appeal, and he cries persecution in the media.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, well in that case then I guess I agree with you. Both because that is his M.O. and also because his legal team in this specific case is especially incompetent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'd love to watch him cry about it in jail, but I'm not hopeful he'll actually end up there.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“My trial was unfair!”

“On what grounds?”

“I made it unfair for myself!”

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Your honor, I object!

And why is that?

Because it's devastating to my case!

https://youtu.be/St_Abko0Jfs?si=Yb8ma4gk_Aezw_IR

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

RBG was too ______ to retire as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This oversight was first reported over two weeks ago, yet he hasn’t mentioned it or taken action in any way. Wonder if that would have an effect on such an appeal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it would because it is unlikely this case would have been granted a jury trial anyway due to New York law. There are specific requirements for requesting a civil jury trial in New York, and all the legal analysis I have seen has suggested they would not have met that bar.

Jury Trials are onerous on the public and the judicial system, but are fundamentally necessary as well as guaranteed in criminal proceedings. However, for civil matters that is the exception rather than the rule.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting, I hadn’t heard the possibility that he may have been denied a jury until now. Maybe that’s why he’s been quiet about it (until now of course.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't denied, his attorney's never requested one in the first place. It is unlikely it would have been granted even if they had due to the aforementioned reasons. However, that has not stopped Trump from saying he was "denied" a jury trial which is just patently false.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I know he failed to request one, I broke the story here on Lemmy over two weeks ago

https://reddthat.com/comment/3313060

I meant that it never occurred to me that if they had requested one properly, that he might be denied and have to have a bench trial anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see, my bad. Was just confused by the verbiage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No worries, I probably could have phrased it better.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

he’s going to lose everything.

He's going to send out a new round of "save our country" money-raising emails and every one of his cult members are basically going to bail his ass out of this again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but surely there must be diminishing returns, or at least there's a somewhat finite pool to draw from. Like as case after case goes bad why would anyone keep giving him money?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You would think. But it keeps happening. Maybe this will be the final straw?

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