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In an impassioned and at times furious speech, departing Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley defiantly proclaimed that the US military does not swear an oath to a “wannabe dictator.”

It was a bitter and pointed swipe that appeared unmistakably targeted at former President Donald Trump, who has in recent days accused Milley of “treason” and suggested that he should be put to death for his conduct surrounding Trump’s bid in 2021 to remain in office despite losing the presidential election.

“We are unique among the world’s militaries,” Milley said. “We don’t take an oath to a country, we don’t take an oath to a tribe, we don’t take an oath to a religion. We don’t take an oath to a king, or a queen, or a tyrant or a dictator.”

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Milley has been very clear about his regrets for having been there, and understands that what he did was wrong. It's a lot easier with hindsight to think "Well, as soon as he realized what was going on, he should have left," or "He should have made these kinds of strong statements against his being dragged into that photo op much earlier."

That all happened on June 1, 2020, long before the election in November of the same year, and long before the events which Trump and other have now been indicted for in Georgia and the DC Circuit.

There must be a way for people to be redeemed for their past actions, and I believe that Milley's statements go a very long way in that direction.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I couldn't agree more. I'll just add:

"Well, as soon as he realized what was going on, he should have left"

He did.

Milley realized too late that Trump, who continued across the street to pose for a now-infamous photo while standing in front of a vandalized church, was manipulating him into a visual endorsement of his martial approach to the demonstrations. Though Milley left the entourage before it reached the church, the damage was significant. “We’re getting the fuck out of here,” Milley said to his security chief. “I’m fucking done with this shit.” Esper would later say that he and Milley had been duped.

"He should have made these kinds of strong statements against his being dragged into that photo op much earlier."

He said this within a week, if that counts:

The week afterward, in a commencement address to the National Defense University, he apologized to the armed forces and the country. “I should not have been there,” he said.

As far as I'm aware, any comment he has ever made regarding the incident he has said it was a mistake.

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Excellent. There is nothing wrong with Milley in the context of that event; in fact, there is everything right about his actions. Thank you for fact checking me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In no way intended to be a check, just more context. You nailed it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Well, I wasn't aware of the facts you brought, and my earlier comment was written on the false assumption that Milley had stayed on through the whole photo op, and that he hadn't really said anything about it until what I have heard very recently.

Whether you intended to check or not, I am checked, and I like it that way. You have made me better now than I was seven hours ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is incredible. How do you have all this knowledge at the ready?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read the Atlantic article when it first came out. Was a really good read and stuck with me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Mf was the only reason I had any hope the military would stand against fascism. I didn't know we were debating his merits.