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Hmmm that's an interesting topic, thanks for bringing this upz it's something I never thought about.
So without thinking this through just eyeballing it here's my take;
Prisons are expensive and the inmate needs to still make up for his crimes. Also being imprisoned without any kind of productive activity could have negative impact on mind and body.
Now there need to be sone rules:
Now is enforcing labour still considered slavery? Could be but at least in Europe you lose some (not all) human rights when you've been sentenced to prison so it's acceptable.
Now one disclaimer: This is with only theoretical knowledge about prisons on western Europe. The US prison system is something else all together.
The problem with you starting the debate like this is that you are glossing over the fact that is prisons are inhumane shithouses that actively engage in slavery.
The fact you are making these stipulations shows that the debate is starting off so far from what is happening in reality that no good will come of the debate so it’s pointless to engage further.
Weak attempt to derail.
Not really, I like your points you’re making, I’m just being honest… if we are starting the conversation in a place this far from reality I don’t honestly think it’s going to do any good
First and foremost: OP clearly states "any country" and is trying to make a general point and therefore isn't focused to the UD prison system which I would consider unworthy of a real democracy.
Now regarding the points OP made I explained my POV and where I agree and disagree. O don't see where either OP nor me deviated from reality and you haven't given any evident or data telling us where exactly you disagree. So would you do the honour and lay out your argument?
Well this article is about the ACLU which I believe stands for American civil liberties union so this is about prisons in the United States
So it’s more than likely a misunderstanding… if you are talking about all countries, and I’m talking about usa (where we literally still have slavery) then there’s going to be a huge disconnect as far as what we are talking about