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The gist of it: with each passing decade there's a growing shortage of construction laborers, resulting in large wait times for housing to be built. Some analysts wonder why the key demographic isn't showing up.

I've seen a few articles in the past few years about young men supposedly checking out of society and work, I wonder if there is a connection between that and this article here because young men tend to be the prime demographic for working this job.

Companies need to pay their workers better.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is what it is, I don't see how sticking your head in the sand will help anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're the one talking about how hopeless trying to work in the trades is, which it isn't. I had no experience, and knew no members before I applied. When I have come across unsafe conditions on a site I've always gotten it fixed.

You said you complained about unsafe conditions, to who? The non union contractor? Or did you talk to osha? When they cut your hours did you file for under employment? Did you do anything to actually fix the conditions for the other workers? Or did you just shrug and move on?

One of us ran into struggles, dealt with them and improved, the other cries about how it's not even worth trying. Who's head is in the sand?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got a new job and told the other workers what happened. I did not file an OSHA complaint, because it was very tenuous and I was a little busy with my sudden lack of income. I now have a job that makes much more money while actually prioritizing safety.

You’re the one talking about how hopeless trying to work in the trades is

No, I'm not. You made that up in your own head. I simply pointed out my experience in my area. My point was that it's not always as easy as walking into the union hall with a firm handshake and getting an apprenticeship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh sir, my apologies. You only cited the impossibility of getting into a union, the danger and abuse of the work, a complete lack of regard for anyone's safety, rampant racism, sexism and nepotism...

...but I crossed a line when I summized all that into a hopeless outlook.

And applying is ALWAYS as easy as walking in with nothing but a firm handshake. Most of the time ive only needed half of that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You have an issue with hyperbole, my friend.

You also have this problem where you think your personal experiences are universally applicable to the entire world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, you have an issue with pessimism. You seem to give up and move on for something easy as soon as you need to show effort.

You cited why you couldn't get into a bunch of unions, but I don't think you applied to any of them. Which means you think your assumptions are universally applicable. Mine are at least based on experience, and im encouraging people to go out there and do it. You've got nothing but assumptions and excuses.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First of all you're being weirdly angry about this.

Second, my info comes from multiple conversations with union members and union leaders in my area. I didn't just apply, I talked to the people who view applications. That means I have more insight than you.

Third, I never said my experience was universally applicable.

You need to take a chill pill dude, you're gonna end up catching 20 to life at this rate. I just shared my experience with the unions in my area. Your area is probably different. Someone reading this will probably have a different experience than either of us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More nothing and excuses.

I'm not upset in the least, maybe you should check the tone you read me in

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean sure, just ignore everything I said and then claim I said nothing, that's one approach

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, you haven't said anything of substance yet.

And remember, I didn't just apply, I got in. So no, you don't "know more about it" than I do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's the spirit