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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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If they have that weight then good... wreck em. Fuck drug dealers like trashy mainstream companies.
Every person I've known that has weight like that has killed people.
I hate how naive people give them a green light as if they "needed to sell drugs because America is too hard to live in." These people still rape lives well after they have enough money to get by without selling. They are no better than rich mainstream politicians and businessmen.
XTC is a party drug, imho not the same as pushing meth or similar tbh
Doesn't mean the source their supporting doesn't traffik humans and other drugs, as well murder to protect their business. It's not like this was a kid selling a couple Oz from some homegrown weed stash. If they have that much MDMA it's organized crime. People are going to want to protect that organization to save their livelihoods usually at any cost. It really sucks seeing that stuff in life... I hope I never find myself around it again. People can be heartless, I've seen innocent people put in prison because they got used by the people above them. It's fucked. The street game is no less bullshit than mainstream rich business people when you get to the point where you're actually making money. If anything can describe authentic crime is war/heartlessness. I wouldn't wish it on anyone with innocents.
Just legalize drugs already.
I’ll admit I’m not sure I’m for legalization but I do support de criminalization.
XTC is a methamphetamine.
Go read about what mdma is and the history of ecstasy.
MDMA is a different drug entirely from methamphetamin. It contains some of the same molecular compounds but that does not mean it's the same drug.
And? That’s such an odd response.
What do you the MA stands for in mdma?
3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is the proper name.
That's not how chemistry nomenclature works.
Methyl and methylene groups are present in tons of molecules, they don't make those molecules methamphetamines. That's like saying people who use olive oil are eating motor oil because they both have the word oil in the name.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_group#:~:text=In%20organic%20chemistry%2C%20a%20methyl,stable%20group%20in%20most%20molecules.
Please do not spout nonsense about things you don't understand.
MDMA has similarities to amphetamine but it's mechanism of action is different enough that is has a wildly different safety profile and patterns of use/addiction potential. Either drug containing a methyl group is not what makes them dangerous, that word only describes a part of their structure.
I understand it just fine.
You appear to think it’s not an amphetamine which isn’t true.
And your weird oil explanation. lol. Clown world.
Methane is basically an isolated methyl group.
Are your farts classified as methamphetamine?
And is far safer, with much different effects to actual meth. You're trying so hard to look clever, but you're a fucking idiot.
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It’s classified as a methamphetamine.
I get you want to look clever but know your drugs.
I love your argument. Since you don’t understand drugs. I’m the idiot because you didn’t even realize mdma is methamphetamine even though it’s in the name. lol.
Clown.
Methamphetamine is not a class of drugs it is a specific drug.
MDMA and meth are part of the substituted amphetamines class which includes hundreds of molecules, some of which are drugs some of which are not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_amphetamine
Just because drugs are in the same chemical class does not mean they necessarily share any similar pharmacology. Tiny changes in the structure of molecules can completely change their effect or render them pharmacologically inactive.
lmfao, ok bro.
XTC is a band.
Did the police know what volume of drugs were in the car when they decided to put the lives of everyone else on the road in danger because of a traffic violation?
The police didn't cause the chase. They participated in it, of course but I don't think it's reasonable to hold them responsible for the chase happening in the first place. The drug dealer(s?) could have stayed put.
eta: I am by no means a police apologist or a "back the blue" type, either. There is plenty wrong with how police do the job they have but this isn't that
What? Of course the police caused the chase. The guy drove off, yes, but if the police don't chase him there's no chase.
There's a possible worldview where.. both wrong things are wrong. Endangering others is what the drug dealer is doing (I don't really believe ecstacy is worth this event but I digress.).. endangering others is what the cops also actively did. Neither is right. Cops have the ability to back off and find the person pretty efficiently when they have plates on their car. Also this is ecstacy not fentanyl or meth.
There are no safe police chases, and no safe PIT-maneuvers to cause a safe crash. People and property are at peril.
I like how you just decided to break out philosophy 101 terminology like it's going to make your point for you.
The other user cited examples and made an argument using said examples. It's a valid argument. The question is whether it is sound.
To that I would say, "Yes". Police chases do endanger lives. In fact, many jurisdictions have outright bans on chases.