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Watching what is happening in the states is genuinely horrifying, I didn't realise just what was lurking below the surface of their politics.
I really hope there will be a political backlash to this.
I’m from the US and I hope so too.
Same here; I'm just on a New Zealand instance.
The more I learn about the politics of my country, the scarier it gets. There are a lot of cruel, powerful, greedy bigots out there who want to tell everyone how to live their lives.
They control people by dividing them using wedge issues such as this.
The United States is not one country, it is an amalgamation of 50 mini countries, which themselves are grouped together into a handful of unrecognized stateless nations. Regions such as Appalachia, New England, and Cascadia can all be thought of as independent nations defined by geography and the backgrounds of their original settlers. They are bound by a single border and federal government. The interplay between these groups can explain much of the turmoil of American politics. For example, the South has a strong authoritarian streak, while the great lakes region has deep trade union roots. This actually extends to Canada and Mexico as well, with the great plains and Sonora desert both commanding their own trans-national cultures. I have a feeling we are going to see some of these nations try and establish themselves in the coming years, which is fascinating to watch but horrific to live through (dear god why was I born in Ohio).
On the other hand, some western states such as such as Arizona, Idaho, Montana, etc. have a mindset similar to that of the former confederate states.
I have heard the USA is not divided amongst states but urban/rural boundries. Even within a state you can leave a city and find yourself in the middle of a religious fundamentalist haven run by the english speaking taliban of the district.
It's both. That urban/rural divide has been growing for about 50 years and is currently the main point of conflict, but just under the surface are much older regional divisions. Consider this map based on voting habits and cultural trends.
Where does that map come from? What is the granularity of it? I find it astonishing to believe that not one city in those red regions didn't vote for Biden.
Colin Woodard in his book American Nations. It's divided on a county level, and the colors are averages across all counties in each region. Obviously it's not a perfect representation, but it's one way to map out the subtler differences that exist on a larger scale than cities or states.
It's not only not a perfect representation it's actually deceiving because it hides the urban/rural divide. It's also not measuring the number of people voting, it's looking at acreage which is a useless metric.
It doesn't show the urban/rural split because that's not the focus of the map. There are many layers to American politics, one of them happens to be regional. If you believe that anything other than red v blue or urban v rural, is "deceptive" and irrelevant, then you're either an extremely sheltered American or an uninformed foreigner. As someone who has lived their entire life on the border between two of the highlighted regions, I can assure you they are very real and relevant. The reduction down to an urban/rural dichotomy is the result of fifty years of polarization in the two-party system, which ignores 500 years history.
So why did you post it in response to a post I made about the urban/rural divide?
America is not a unified country. This isn't a new thing, it's been that way for decades. Half of the country hates the other half.
If you look up, you'll see that your original post was in response to mine, where I was talking about regional differences. No offense, but you clearly are not well versed in the history of American politics and the way that history impacts the present, and I would recommend you do a little more research if you're going to pretend otherwise.
I told you that regional differences were not as important or significant as the rural/urban divide and I am right.
Even in those regions the cities voted for democrats.
I would recommend you do get some information outside of whatever bubble you are in before you spew your sanctimonious condescending bullshit.
Can confirm; I am in Florida.
It's coming to NZ. It started with the brexit boys setting up shop at the invite of Winston and never left. Trump flags are already flying and David Seymour himself urged attendees at a talk to wear MAGA hats even though he was too cowardly to get himself photographed wearing one.
Every day on lemmy and /r/nz I see people parroting the same talking points are the MAGA turds in the US do and now that I notice your name you are one of those people.