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how often do you encounter doublespeak? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Perhaps this is a cultural thing, but doublespeak seems to be prevalent even in casual conversation

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Note that even the description that you’ve provided hints this duplicity: hostility is objective, but “negative emotional” is subjective.

That's interesting. My first reaction was to think it's more the other way around. Hostility is based on intention which is in fact un-knowable unless you make assumptions about how patient an adversary is, whereas emotional content has simple litmus tests like looking at frequency of certain words. But, hostility can be seen as game theoretical and mathematical, whereas emotional content comes from an older part of our brain and is only partially shared between people, so I see what you mean. I guess sometimes more subjective things can actually be more measurable, counterintuitively.

I wonder if there's a good example of a space that's toxic, as measured by the effect on participant's mental health scores, but only to some participants. I'm conjecturing that there is not, that at least 80% of the population will experience it the same way, but I could be wrong. I suppose even a very stressful interaction could make someone feel less lonely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hostility is objective because it's behaviour. I were to punch or insult someone, and the definition of hostility includes those things (it should, right?), then I couldn't bullshit "it's a matter of opinion if I was hostile or not" - it's a fact. However the emotional impact of the punch/insult would depend on the target of that hostility.

I guess sometimes more subjective things can actually be more measurable, counterintuitively.

Sometimes they do. Specially when it's for multiple subjects - human experiences don't overlap completely, but they do overlap a bit. But for that we need to acknowledge that they're subjective.

I wonder if there’s a good example of a space that’s toxic, as measured by the effect on participant’s mental health scores, but only to some participants.

Spaces that target specific groups. Specially vulnerable groups based on sexuality, race, etc.

For example. If I were to crack gay jokes nonstop, most people would at most feel umconfortable... unless they're homo or bisexual, for them there's a heavy (and negative) emotional impact. Same deal with jokes targetting people based on race, gender, etc.