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Good job, you described every country that has ever existed.
You're also making the common US right wing fascist L of conflating empty land mass with population. Yes, it's a complex population, and a map of empty land looks 50/50, but there is a pretty overwhelming pro-West majority. The question that you still refuse to answer is why. Because it will break your worldview.
Oh, I do not at all defend any of the violence, the bombings, or the genocides committed by the US. I condemn every imperialist invasion, and the evil people who lead them. I will happily take part in imprisoning any US president for life. Because I have actual values. You wouldn't know what that's like.
Not doing any such thing, nowhere did I talk about land at all. I love how all your arguments are just straw man.
The parts that joined Russia do not have western majority as the map clearly shows. In fact, the whole civil war started in 2014 because western backed fascists went after the minority in the east. Of course, you don't give a shit about those people as you've amply demonstrated there.
I didn't refuse to answer anything. The only one with a bleak world view here is the one who thinks it's fine for western backed fascists to exterminate minorities. Thanks for admitting what you actually stand for.
The only thing you've condemned so far was Russia protecting people of Donbas from the fascists you support. You claim to condemn evil people while allying with literal fascists, and you expect people to take you seriously.
Literally right in the pictures you posted but nice gaslighting.
It's wrong for western backed fascists to exterminate minorities. It's wrong for fascist Russia to exterminate majorities. It's not hard for me to say, why is it hard for you to say?
I'm not allying with anyone. You're making the same L you accused me of earlier. Just because I condemn Russia doesn't mean I support the other side. I condemn both sides, several times now. I haven't seen you condemn fascist Russia even once.
The picture I posted illustrates the views of the demographic in the different regions showing that eastern regions that joined Russia have predominantly pro Russian views. The only one doing gaslighting here is you.
Russia isn't doing anything of the sort. Even UN plainly stated that, stop graslighting https://news.yahoo.com/un-commission-fails-evidence-russias-160057021.html
Except you very clearly are. You can deny it all you want, but it's quite clear from this thread that you support the fascist regime in Ukraine. You haven't seen me condemn fascist Russia because it only exists in your deranged mind.
The whole pattern of this thread has been you making fantastical claims then me providing sources contradicting your nonsense and you just pivoting to new fantastical claims without ever acknowledging your prior bullshit. You're like a little wanna be Trump.
"The UK is a vassal state to the US Empire" is a fantastical claim.
"Russia is a fascist xenophobic homophobic transphobic country ruled by a corrupt despot that made the sovereign decision to start an invasion" is real life.
Oh really? Contradict that.
It's not, and I've explained to you in detail why as well as having provided you with numerous resources on the subject. You've never actually contradicted anything I said either and just pivoted to other bullshit.
That's precisely what a xenophobe from US would say. Russia certainly has plenty of issues, however in practice it's not very different from many western countries. The real life is that the war was a product of decades of NATO policy, and it's not even hidden. RAND literally published a study titled Extending Russia where it outlines goading Russia into a proxy war in Ukraine as a way to achieve that.
Maybe spend some time educating yourself instead of shitposting on public forms. Just a thought.
Resources that say nothing about the UK being a vassal state or the US being an empire. You make a huge logical leap to conclusions based on your inherent biases.
Atrociously bad policy on LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, but does better on homing the homeless and other human rights. Can't get rid of its corrupt ruling despot; the US has many corrupt government officials that don't see term limits.
I agree, Russia is overall no worse or better than the West.
Are you familiar with the narcissist's prayer?
"I didn't do it, and if I did, it's your fault"
Defense of Russia I've noticed follows the narcissist's prayer pattern. "Russia didn't do it, and if it did, it's the West's fault".
The sources make it very clear that UK politics are subordinate to US, and it's very clear that UK economic and military dependency on US means that it's not able to pass sovereign and independent policy that's at odds with US interests.
It's frankly depressing that you evidently don't understand how infantile this framing is. NATO has been expanding to Russian borders and violently invading countries for decades, but you expect that Russia should just ignore that. How do you think US would react if Russia ran a coup in Mexico, invited Mexico in CSTO, stated intention to put nuclear weapons in Mexico.
The reality of the situation is that Ukraine was a sovereign and neutral state that did trade with both Russia and the west. This wasn't good enough for the west, and the west decided to overthrow the legitimate government in Ukraine. That's how this war started back in 2014. And if you just ignore all that then you're morally and intellectually bankrupt.
It's pretty clear than neither one of us is going to convince the other of anything here, and we're just going in circles here. So, you can have the last word if that makes you feel better. I've said all I have to say here.