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All the historical evidence for Jesus in one room

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

How do you know anyone existed in history? You cant have the bodies of every historical figure. This happened 2000 years ago.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How do you know anyone existed in history?

For instance Independent contemporary reports, preferably 1st hand. There are none for Jesus. Not even 2nd hand. The oldest parts of the Bible are from 50 years or later after the fact, and written quite some distance away from where it should have allegedly happened, by anonymous writers. The names we apply are fake.

This lack of evidence, is despite the search for evidence of Jesus is by far the greatest ever undertaken. The Catholic Church have spend almost 2000 years now looking for it (since about 2nd century). They have spend huge amounts of money and manpower. That alone is more than anything else, but on top of that, you have for instance Later Day Saints, who have also attempted to find historical evidence. Along with many many other Christian and even non Christian organisations.

To be frank, it's amazing nobody haven't been able to make fake evidence that is widely believed. The so called evidence there is, is only called evidence by Christian historians, and does not pass the requirements for actual historical evidence.

Jesus is a fairy tale, It's very clear if you investigate the history of Christianity, that Jesus was a myth.

It's also clear if you investigate philosophy at the time, that it was widely believed that something imagined could be believed to be real if you believed it hard enough. We even have some of it today, with for instance faith healing, prosperity gospel, and the idea that if something is imagined to be perfect it must exist, otherwise it isn't perfect.

Unless you already know, people 2000 years ago, on average, weren't exactly smarter and more enlightened than people of today. They didn't even have the scientific method, to show how real knowledge about our world can be achieved way more reliably than with religion. So superstition was widespread to the extreme, and myths were easily believed.

Christianity being probably the most powerful myth of the time, was believed exactly because it seemed powerful. The same way some Africans name their children Hitler, because it's a name of power.

So Jesus and god were imagined as being perfect, ergo they must have been real. That's what it basically boils down to. And there is a surprising LACK of evidence for his existence, making the only rational conclusion that he probably didn't exist. Not even as one or more normal humans, that have later been build a story around.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Not sure if this a strawman or hyperbole, maybe both.

For most people we have very reasonable claims, consistent stories, and first hand accounts. For Jesus we have absurd claims, inconsistent stories, and hearsay accounts.

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