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[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 year ago (45 children)

One thing I’ve learned on reddit is that you never tell people on platforms like that or even this one that you’re a landlord. You could be the best landlord, never raise a reasonable rent, keep a well and promptly maintained property, and LanDlOrDs aRe The ScUm of ThE Earth!!1! is all you hear.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (48 children)

The very idea of being a landlord is pretty evil though? Like in a housing shortage you're hoarding property and profiting off it.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (21 children)

So while I generally agree with your sentiment, there are some obvious ways that sometime could be an ethical landlord.

What if you have a house that's too big, so you convert a floor into an apartment? You're adding to the number of housing units available. Should you be forced to sell a portion of your house/building to whoever wants to live there? Or should you be able to rent it out to someone at a reasonable rate? Do we want rules that discourage people from potentially adding units to the market?

I feel like the "all landlords are evil" narrative is way too simplistic, and that simplistic view turns off people who would otherwise support reasonable limits on landlords and housing ownership. Like, it's obvious that we need limits and taxes on people who own multiple properties, and it's obvious that there are companies that exploit renters and drive up prices, but it's all more complicated than just "landlords evil lol".

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Your assuming everyone wants to own property over renting.

House and property ownership has a lot of responsibility and expenses involved. Your water heater breaks well there is $1000+ your roof needs replacing there is 30K. All of that goes away when you rent as it isn't your responsibility.

If you own property it can be harder and more risky to relocate. I know a few people that bought in 2007 and then were stuck as they couldn't afford to move because they were upsidedown on their house.

Not saying renting is all sunshine and roses. I personally would rather own then rent but home ownership isn't for everyone.

But I do think it is a major problem when you have a few companies buying up all property so no one else can afford it. But I don't think being a Landlord is inherently evil.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Threw down over 20k in fixes so far in our first year of homeownership, and due to interest rates and closing costs, we don't really have the opportunity to move anywhere else without taking a significant financial hit.

You bet it's not for everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like in a housing shortage you’re hoarding property and profiting off it.

Housing shortages are caused by bad government policy: namely, low-density zoning. Direct your anger towards the entity that deserves it, and make them fix their fuck-up.

(Note: I'm not making some kind of Libertarian "all government is bad" argument here. I'm saying that in this specific case, the laws need to be changed.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

There is enough empty property to house every homeless person 30 times. Some of those empty property are summer houses and shit, but even then the problem isn't the lack of housing, it's treating homes as a mean to make money out of people's basic needs. You can build the best walkable city in the world, but if it will be bought by professional landlords immediately it will not solve shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not everyone is able or willing to own their property, what would they do if landlords didn't exist?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Privatizing the right to have shelter is pretty scummy to be a thing to exist.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of landlords are normal people renting out a portion of the home they live in as well.

What you are asking is that they should close those doors or have the rental be free? Either of those situations is bunk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think everyone in your replies is conflating being a full time landlord and a part time landlord. One of them is definitely more evil than the other.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk my previous landlord was part time and was still hell.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had shitty landlords and good ones. My current one hasn't changed the rent price in 4 years, comes out same day or next day to deal with issues... to be honest I wish I could copy and paste my current landlord to my next place too 😭

One of my old landlords tried to charge me for damage I didn't cause... but guess who recorded every nook and cranny in 4K after accepting the keys, and used that footage to dispute and get my full deposit back 🤪🤪

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My last landlord didn't raise my rent for seven years. I was thankful until I moved out and he still hasn't been able to re-rent the place after two years despite dropping the rent by $100. He just didn't want to risk losing his prize schmuck lol.

What I most hate is landlords who put an automatic 5% (or whatever) increase into an auto-renewing lease. It's bullshit because their mortgage generally isn't increasing like that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But taxes, insurance, and maintenance costs do

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (50 children)

Small-scale landlords also usually have full time jobs and use rent to supplement their income. Not every landlord is just rolling in cash.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I work at a credit union where we deal with a lot of smaller investors and many of them have properties where they aren't breaking even on a cash flow basis. But they are using the losses to lower their taxable income while building equity elsewhere. They are (from tenants I've heard from) good landlords. Lately we've been dealing with a lot of realtors that are buying up properties and that just doesn't sit well with me so I'm looking to change careers and get more into C&I and CRE rather than SFR investments. Being able to cash out 7.25 weeks of accrued vacation time I haven't been able to take too is a big plus.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Probably because most users are americans and there renters barely have any protections.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've never really seen a landlord who does all those things, unless they also live in the property and wanted roommates to help with the mortgage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone with a mediocre amount of business sense or anyone that actually owns / owned (or pretends they own via a mortgage) real estate knows exactly how terribly difficult it is to just keep everything running.

This alone explains why reddit and such have no damn clue why renting is so expensive.

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