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I'm surprised you think it's the tax deductions that are the issue here.
I don't think they're an issue at all.
You don't think corporations having a hand in what children/teenagers/adults learn because of lobbying and donations is a bad thing?
Nope, I'm a proud grad of Joint Carls Jr and Pizza Hut high and corporations should write the regulations because they know all the ins and outs burgers.
You joke, but Carnegie built thousands of libraries across the country in the early 1900s, many of which are still in use today. Over 100 years later, the government never bothered building their own library.
Let that sink in.
The Library of Congress?
Political contributions are textbook examples of nondeductible expenses. Charity contributions are deductible for all taxpayers to an extent. Private schools can be for-profit businesses and have been for quite some time and sometimes they teach controversial subjects. Not sure what relevance that is though. Seems like you should be angry about education policy, not tax policy.
That thing we've been talking about, you're doing it here.
Do you not understand that giving charitable donations in order to sway public opinion to your side is lobbying?
So again: you don't have any problem with corporate influence over what children learn in schools?
Generally speaking I don't find charity contributions a controversial subject, no. I do have a problem with you putting words in my mouth. You're clearly pissed off about a bunch of things and there's plenty to be pissed off about. But your ire is misdirected here, as badly as this comic is mistitled.
Seems like you're just lashing out because you've read a bunch of malarkey saying rich people don't pay taxes and now you've formed a political ideology around that misunderstanding.
Words in your mouth? Oh dear.
🎵 Sounds like somebody doesn't understand the logical consequences of the positions they hold 🎵
Of all the Redditors who've tried to armchair psycho-analyze me, I think your attempt actually might be the worst.
What do you propose? Codify your position.
Hold your horses, buckaroo. We're still apparently yet to decide if incentivizing lobbying in the educational space is a good thing or not.
Or does this mean that you're retracting the assertion that there aren't any problems whatsoever with allowing tax deductions on corporate charity?
I'm not retracting anything. I want to know what you want in your own words. Actionable policy.
"wow you're against world poverty? give me actionable policy that solves world poverty or your stance isn't valid"
We're (somehow) still deciding between ourselves whether or not propagandizing children is a good thing or not. Why would we discuss solutions to a problem you inexplicably can't even admit is a bad thing?
We are still trying to figure out what you actually want, besides vent your general malaise and frustration.
It sounds like you want to disallow deducting charitable contributions from taxable income for corps, is that right?
What about charity contributions from individuals? Bill gates has whitewashed his image real effectively this way.
Or specifically contributions to schools?
Also you didn't respond to the fact that many private schools are for profit corps themselves.
i just don't know what you are proposing besides a generic "protect the children" statement that isn't productive. This is your big chance. What do you propose?
given that the above is crystal clear, at this point I'm just interested in watching the imaginary argument you're having inside your head unfold
Here, I'll start for you:
First I would have the FCC reign in Fox News disinformation because we'll probably never get anywhere when 100 million Americans are being brainwashed daily
Campaign finance reform
Term limits and maybe age limits in public office
Ranked voting to help get rid of the two party system
It would be great to somehow change corporate governance to require them to prioritize all stakeholders and not just shareholders but I don't know how to do this
Maybe a requirement for publicly traded companies to have one seat on the board of directors be elected by the employees to represent their interests, perhaps a requirement that maybe 10% of shares issued and outstanding be owned by said employees
Some reasonable and actionable ideas to chew on. None have anything to do with tax. The comic and this conversation have pretty much nothing to do with tax so idk wtf is going on here except that you're generally pissed off. And, as I said from the beginning, im not surprised because there's tons of ignorant people like you on lemmy who are very loud about their uninformed opinions and don't bring any actual solutions to the table.
Your move chief.
given that you actually haven't been able to directly disagree (no, talking vaguely around the subject doesn't count) with a single thing I've said, this is a fun statement to make
i also like how this discussion simultaneously
You haven't even said anything to agree or disagree with! Lmao goddamn you are thick. No comments about my suggestions and again with the general malaise. I dunno what you want except to bitch. Pretty much done here unless you can actually add something of value to the conversation, there's not much left here it's like I'm talking to a wall. As usual.
at first i thought you were just being intentionally obtuse in the classic Reddit™ argument style where you don't really understand how to back up a position, so you just disagree with everything the other person says
but now i'm slightly concerned at your apparent inability to like...comprehend words...?
e.g., i've said:
most people would actually find that statement easy to disagree with. very easy, in fact.
but you're really seeming to struggle for some reason
are you like...okay?
(in case you somehow missed it the numerous other times i've clarified, we're discussing whether or not propagandizing to children is a good thing or not...at least we were until you started just straight up inventing my side of the conversation)
No comment regarding any of this?
Disappointing. I thought that's a pretty reasonable start.
Sounds like you're against private schools (corporate owned) and deductions for charity contributions (unpopular opinion).
OP has nothing to do with tax. My original point. (I think, it's been a lot of tiresome bickering with you and you're too far gone.)
You're angry about education policy and corporate governance, not tax policy. Get your act straight before you go talking shit about stuff you don't understand.
no, because it's not relevant?
this is amazing, are you a real person?
you're still yet to manage to even disagree with any statement i've made and you're still coming up with gold like this
i'm going to give you a step by step, so that you can actually manage to make an argument (past whining about how being an expert on tax makes you an expert on a discussion you don't even believe is about tax)
I disagree with every bullet point because this comic isn't about tax. If you would stop being such a knucklehead and respond to MY bullet points maybe you'd see we actually do have common ground. This isn't a tax issue. I don't know how to be more clear than that.
given that one of the bulletpoints is this:
you are either very bad at the thing you claim to be an expert in, or you don't fully understand the meaning of the word "disagree"
I just don't understand what your point is besides being a contrarian asshole for its own sake. This comic has nothing to do with tax. It is mistitled. You are complaining about the wrong thing. You keep talking and say nothing. You're just pissed off at "corporations" in general. I am too. I'm sick of being squeezed for every penny I've got. But this comic isn't a problem or solution involving tax. You're just completely wrong and misguided. I really wish you could see that but you are intent on arguing for its own sake. It's so incredibly frustrating. I've offered my suggestions for starting to come up with solutions and you won't even read or respond. You're just so stubborn it's impossible to get through. I'm really trying here and you just refuse to budge. It's actually really impressive.
that propagandizing children is bad? and that "i see no issues with an incentive structure to propagandize children" is orthogonal to that
says the person seemingly taking the position "propagandizing children is good, actually"
solutions to what? this entire conversation is about working out whether or not propagandizing children is a bad thing or not. if it's not a problem, which somehow seems to be your stance on this, then there's nothing to come up with a solution to
you haven't answered a single question i've asked you, nor have you disagreed with a single thing i've said, other than just now when you disagreed that tax cuts incentivize behavior
i don't think you've even stated a position other than "you're wrong" with no further elaboration
your contributions to this conversation almost entirely consist of trying to change the subject to talk about something else
i'm not sure "I'm really trying here" is a particularly apt description
To begin: American corporate culture is toxic. That awful facade of upbeat ecstatic euphoria we have to put on to keep up the charade that everything is AWESOME is just soul crushing. We are being squeezed dry for every penny we have and we're being told it's inflation caused by demand for higher wages so people don't have to choose between rent, food, and medicine this month. Billionaires fly around on private jets and cruise super yachts while children are denied lunch in school. Half the country is fed a steady diet of disinformation telling them climate change is a lie, while they live in food deserts eating processed microwaved diabetes in a box. Economic mobility is stagnating, all the wealth is flowing uphill, our education system is out of reach for many, and overpriced anyway. Meanwhile, not a single banker, politician , or regulator has gone to jail for their part in the Great Recession which cost the taxpayers dearly, while those responsible largely walked away with millions, secure in the knowledge their banks are Too Big To Fail and will most likely be bailed out again the next time that happens. And don't even get me started about healthcare.
This comic is about these issues. Tax policy is neither the cause of nor the solution to these problems. As I've said a dozen times this comics title is misleading. I've already posted my thoughts on possible solutions to these issues twice.
Here it is yet again:
First I would have the FCC reign in Fox News disinformation because we’ll probably never get anywhere when 100 million Americans are being brainwashed daily
Campaign finance reform
Term limits and maybe age limits in public office
Ranked voting to help get rid of the two party system
It would be great to somehow change corporate governance to require them to prioritize all stakeholders and not just shareholders but I don’t know how to do this
Maybe a requirement for publicly traded companies to have one seat on the board of directors be elected by the employees to represent their interests, perhaps a requirement that maybe 10% of shares issued and outstanding be owned by said employees
But we can keep talking about charity deductions for individuals and corps if you want, even though this is the first time I'm hearing someone saying that is controversial.
PS: you want to hear something funny I just thought of? If we ban charity donation deductions for corps it would probably lead to a net DECREASE in tax revenue rather than an increase. My reasoning is that deductions are only worth 21% at the Federal corporate level but up to 37% at the individual level. So we'd probably finagle it so the donations happen anyway, just by the individuals and institutions who own the business instead, who would get a better discount on their contributions. Actions, meet unintended consequences!
oh no you went off topic again ;(
why don't we just try asking and answering questions one at a time:
...I just don't get you. You're easily one of the most frustrating users I've ever encountered. I don't know how to be more clear that we got major issues but it's NOT because of tax and it's NOT solvable via tax. I REALLY truly thought my last comment would hit home but you're just impossible. Thanks for proving my initial point: "i'm sure this thread will be full of rational reasonable discussion by tax experts." Bookmark my comment and maybe read it again when you turn 20.
that's a really weird answer to a fairly simple yes/no question
Are you a bot? I'm really truly hoping you're an Argument Bot at this point designed to drive engagement. It's just not possible for a human to be so thick and resistant to a reasonable discussion.
i know right this guy i'm talking to can't even answer a yes/no question without falling to pieces what's up with that
It's so odd how fixated you are on this one teeny tiny microcosm of a far greater issue. It's just so childishly naive and immature. I can't grasp being so narrow minded that you can't accept there's a much bigger picture you're not seeing. I hope one day you'll grow up a bit more and realize how insanely complicated our social issues are, far beyond your fixation on tax deductions for charity contributions.
i like how you interpret "stay on topic" as "this is the only topic that exists"
obviously society is more complicated than tax deductions, you absolute melt
i'm pretty sure my first reply to you was literally telling you that taxes aren't the primary issue in this comic
the point is that we were discussing tax deductions, and how "i see no issue with allowing corporations to tax deduct 'charitable' expenses that are actually just corporate propaganda" is a very silly thing to say, and an even sillier thing to say when put in the context of you having just finished announcing to the world how much smarter you are than everybody else about this issue because the word "tax" is in the title and you've seen a copy of the us tax code at least once
if you're going to die on this weird hill of insisting you're not allowed to have opinions on anything you don't literally have a masters degree in (which is weird given your recent paragraph listing off all the things wrong with society that you very obviously aren't an expert in) then you could at least do us the decency of not throwing out the smoothest of smooth-brain takes about the one topic you are supposed to know your ass from your elbow in
Thanks for your thoughts. Goodbye.
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