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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's nationalist at best. Why is French more important than Muslim? Because they write the laws? Doesn't that seem a little unfair?

I hate organized religion, but I don't give a shit what someone does if it doesn't hurt anyone else. I also hate authoritarianism that limits people's options and attempts to force then into some sort of cultural hegymony.

In the Americas (both he us and Canada), we forces native Americans to attend schools to attempt to remove their culture and make them "American." This has generally been viewed as a horrible atrocity. Hopefully France doesn't attempt to follow the mistakes of history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

France literally gave me everything: free school, free healthcare, open culture for all, it has literally been a super important part of who I am today thanks to all the things I got access to for free.

It’s the true country of freedom, with intellectuals that paved the way for the American independence, the first to assert the importance of the humans over religious dogma and violence.

You just want to get rid of this because wearing religious symbol « don’t hurt anyone ». Well, let me tell you the truth, those little girls don’t know why they have to wear those scarves. They don’t know that this is a symbol against women’s rights because they weren’t educated about it, so yes it does hurt people.

So yes, this is a nationalist POV, does this make my point less valid ?

EDIT: you are really rooting for this ?? Here’s what those symbols really mean.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is French more important than Muslim?

because france is a real thing that actually exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

France exists as much as Islam exists. It's a made up belief that enough people agree to follow the rules of. Before modern times, borders were basically invisible and could be crossed freely. Many wars were fought because borders couldn't be defined well, because they're made up. I fact, Islam was originally created as a state and religion together as one, so it exists at least as much as France.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nah, the name might be made up but you can touch it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you touch it any more than Islam though? You can touch ground it says is it's own, but that was called another thing before and will be called something else after. It's not called France. There is nothing fundamentally "French" about the ground. If I take a scoop of dirt from France and take it to Germany, it doesn't maintain it's France-ness. It isn't any more real than money is. It's a useful concept that we all agree to believe in, but it's not fundamental. The government is something you can touch I guess, but the same is true for leadership in Islam.