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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (10 children)

To this day, I still have no fucking idea why they insist the 2020 election was rigged but refuse categorically to prove it in court. It's always social media whining.

When they say they have HUGE amount of evidences, I just ask why they don't tell Rudy Giuliani. Surely he would be more than happy to clean his reputation and make Trump King of the USA.

Why don't they have this debate at the only place it matters, in court? If you have the evidences and if it's so obvious and damning, why not prove it?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago

Why don't they? Because they know it's not true. They know that they don't have evidence that they can present in court, and even they aren't dumb enough to perjur themselves. Their plan was never to win in a court of law: it was so win in a court of their own supporters' public opinion.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They have had this debate in court nearly 100 times and have never proven anything.

Meanwhile, out of 160 million votes, there were 2 cases of fraud from Trump voters.

The descent to fascism is steep and at this point I’m not sure imprisoning Trump will have an effect. Look at what Texas and Ken Paxton did in negating over 2 million mail in ballots that would have won Texas for both Biden and Beto.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you haven't met any ~~cult members~~ Republicans, but if a republican in office or someone on TV says anything, they'll believe and repeat. Believe and repeat

It doesn't even have to be true. It can specifically be NOT true. And that's why they do it.

It's effective and the "do your own research" crowd actually never does their own research

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's because their idea of "dO yOuR rEsEaRcH" is reading "articles" watching YT videos made by wingnuts in their moms' basements that got their "facts" and sources from other wingnuts in other basements. It's an enormous circlejerk that keeps reinforcing itself from a pool of nonsense information. And when anyone credible comes in with actual facts and sources that discredit the entire basis of their concepts, it's fake news and a slew of ackshuallys.

I'll give some credit: it's increasingly difficult to separate fact from fiction in articles that are written more like a persuasive essay than actual journalism. But this self reinforcing idea that everyone is lying and trying to pedo your kids has gone way too far. Are there nefarious actors? Absolutely. But I still believe it's possible to be informed without relying on mentally stunted echo chambers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Confirmation bias is super strong with those people too.

You get in online arguments and they eventually, after much reluctance, cough up the sources you ask for. Always fringe, unknown, highly skewed sources. And of course anything that gets more than 100 sessions a month is mainstream and corrupt. Including scientific journals

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol right. You could show them a scientific journal that's been ratified and endorsed by the global scientific community, and they'll say they're being paid by the global elites to push a narrative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The pharmacies and big pharma pushing those maaaaan

Right, because the companies that make a $20 vaccine hope you buy that instead of the $1000s per dose meds that you'd need if you didn't take it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

So people like my conservative family can complain and feel like perpetual victims. It must be exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Because they aren’t arguing in good faith. It’s as simple as that.

Trump knows the election wasn’t actually rigged, but he’s going to keep shouting that it was to rile up his supporters. Some of those supporters (many even) may believe these lies, but the GOP leadership knows better. They also know that they can’t cross Trump lest they lose his supporters, and possibly face their violent wrath.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

All they want is propaganda. It's not about what actually happened, it's what they can keep repeating to their base so they can villify Democrats. That's all the gop is now. And their base eats it up, they believe it. It's a sad state of affairs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They would if they could, but the liberal deep state machine is preventing them because of all their corruption and collusion! Hunter biden's laptop! Hillary's emails! Drag Queens! Blaaaarrgghhh!!!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Like, they're all in on the deep state conspiracy, man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What has more value for them?

  1. go to courts and get thrown out of them
  2. go to social media channels and keep telling your have evidence

One gets you limited time to rile up your base and the other you can keep using without having to proof a damn thing. You do the math.