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@thomask as I wrote over there:
Defederating from Threads is analogous to refusing to accept mail from or deliver mail to Gmail, is it not?
As long as there’s no concern with Threads knocking SDF over due to outsized mass, I think defederating is a bad move.
Would you want to federate with Reddit?
Google hasn’t actively tried to shutdown its competing email providers… Meta has (tried to purchase or shut down its competitors on multiple occasions). Why do you think they aren’t trying to do that this time?
Me, yes. It could make more content available, which is like the main reason why people don't switch.
Google (gmail) and Microsoft (hotmail/outlook) are both infamous for anticompetitive behaviour.
I can't know Meta's internal strategy for sure, but I'd speculate that they see Twitter as the primary competitor to Threads by a significant margin.
Fediverse integration, introducing fediverse concepts to a large number of people, seems more likely part of one-upping Twitter rather than an attempt to kill the fediverse.
So if Reddit or Twitter decided to join the fediverse… you would be ok with that?
Social media isn’t something neutral like email, social media companies manipulate their users’ opinions and their feeds for profit. I just don’t believe we should just give away the digital commons again. If Threads was just about killing Twitter, Facebook wouldn’t be adding fediverse functionality to Threads in the first place.
What concerns me is how much information is available to all instance admins.
this comment in particular made me think.
I mostly agree, but I've seen elsewhere that the fediverse (or some corners of it) were set up with the explicit intent to be ad-free and privacy respecting.
My opinion is that it all comes down to two things:
The answers to those questions can guide the admins (and us, I guess) in the decision.
I agree with this interpretation too and it is an excellent simile.
If sdf defederates from big instances I will accept their decision but I will find another server.
Equally, if SDF does not defederate from evil instances then I'll find another that will
One thing we could do, I guess, is block users from moving to Threads once that's a feature that exists. Blocking it entirely feels a little pointless. We're in no position to actually kill it.