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They want you to hand copy what ChatGPT outputs and turn it in? That's a terrible response to AI. If they want to hold you accountable, they should have you write it right there in front of them.
It’s a deterrent, not an end all be all solution to end cheating.
Ok, so hand copy all your assignments from ChatGPT all semester and I, the instructor, will count them as 50 percent of your final grade. The other 50 percent is based on a hand-written final essay written in class. How do you think you will do?
I am old so all of my formal university education was completed decades ago, but people cheated back then too and in my experience it's usually way more effort than it's worth as opposed to just doing the work and coming out with the skills you'll need to be successful at the next level.
That's my dreary little bit of moralizing for the day.
Now you're sounding like Elon Musk demanding that people who work better from home return to Tesla offices..
Only worse, since you also want to add an extra anxiety-inducing and impractical layer of in-person surveillance 🤦
This has nothing to do with work from home policies. I also don't know how to approach the concept that completing schoolwork in school is "in person surveillance" and not just "schoolwork"
It's like (lack of) work from home politicies in that it's forcing people to do things a specific way in a specific place even though it's much less convenient AND much less efficient.
It's in person surveillance because "right in front of" implies physical proximity where the teacher is watching, making some students unnecessarily anxious.
I get that you probably grew up in a more primitive time where such methods were the norm, but things change as society progresses and your industrial age solution to an information age challenge is likely to cause a lot more harm than good, if it even does good at all.
Ok, so if you think students demonstrating their knowledge in class is "primitive," can you describe how you think school should work?
I think students ONLY demonstrating their knowledge in class and being forced to do work that would be better accomplished elsewhere is primitive, yes.
I think school should take advantage of modern technology such as computers and the internet without letting doing the pseudo-plagiarism of having GPT do everything. Enforcement of the latter doesn't necessitate going back to how things were done in the 80s and earlier.
You said "Schools should use technology; students shouldn't use ChatGPT," but this is devoid of actual ideas on how to address what we're talking about
If absolutely necessary, you could install software that detects and blocks ChatGPT. It's probably already available. You don't have to go back to the stone age every time a new technology poses potential problems.
Writing an essay in class without using the Internet is not "going back to the stone age," it's a basic application of learning...
Ever hear of hyperbolic expressions? I was using one of those.
Basic isn't always best, especially when "back to basics" is outdated and impractical methods that unnecessarily favor some students over others by rejecting valuable tools and methods that will be crucial for life after school.
We're talking about doing an assignment in class
First of all, we were talking about homework. By definition you don't waste instruction time doing that in class. Second, you were insisting on it being handwritten as if it's the 80s or earlier.
Just give it a rest with the reactionary backwards reform ideas, grandpa.
If a teacher needs to evaluate a student's level of comprehension, they have students demonstrate their level of comprehension in class, I just don't get what you think is a "reactionary backwards reform(?) idea." Homework itself is largely an outdated and "primitive" teaching method that has shown to be counterproductive to student well-being and learning when applied indiscriminately. I never said anything about hand writing, the word "to write" means "to set down in writing." Of course students could and should type their work lol
He thinks AI should do all the thinking for him and he should be able to take all of the credit, so he doesn't have to learn anything. Ignorance is something to strive for to these people because ignorance = less work.
Nope, never said any such nonsense. Sounds like you're projecting your own ignorance onto me and whomever else "these people" are.
I said you think, and you do. Anyone who advocates allowing young people to let AI do their schoolwork for them thinks that way. All your arguments point to letting people do such, therefore that's what you want and what you think. I am an adult who actually paid attention in school and I can read context of conversations.. You're not getting anything past me.
Now go do your homework, lazy fucking brat.
First of all, I never once advocated for AI to do homework for people. On the contrary.
Second of all, even if I had, you don't have the amazing mind reading powers you seem to ascribe to yourself.
I'm an adult who actually paid attention in school too. Guess the difference is that I didn't STOP paying attention and developing my view of our ever-changing world the moment I left school like you seem to have done.
You sound like a lazy spoiled brat who just wants to get out of doing homework and play video games all day.
Homework requiring writing some shit down from Wikipedia is useless homework anyways - and here this seems to be the case.
They're trying to make sure you actually read the material. 🤦
But why would you? You should be able to use any sources you want to learn whenever you want, just be prepared for the exam. I wrote hundreds useless homeworks like this in middle school and I remember nothing from most of them.
You won't be prepared for the exam unless you actually do the work ahead of time. That may not be immediately true in middle school, but it's definitely true by the time you get to upper division undergrad coursework, at least if you're in a competitive program. You really are only selling yourself short in terms of being competitive at the next level.
This is even more true in grad school where you are expected to produce twice as much in half the time.
Because participating in life means you have to know things, not Google.
If you won't, we'll just use Google and save money by not even hiring you. If you can do it with an AI, so can we, so we don't need you. It's as simple as that.
Stop being lazy and pay attention in class.
Never said anything of the sort. That's your own uncreative view of the world refusing to see any alternative to how things were done back when they didn't have the technology we have today.