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New Covid wave has begun and masks should be worn again, scientists warn
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2023
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But let's be bluntly honest, people's behaviour has nothing to do with the efficacy of masks. They won't wear a mask, regardless of efficacy, because they simply do not want to. And they do not care if they spread disease.
This is obvious by all the folks with their nose sticking out
There are many, many people who gladly masked up until the vaccines were out and then stopped when they got their shots, like all reasonable medical professionals suggested, and now won't go back because they've kept up their boosters and it's unreasonable to insist on it.
But, you're right, the other kind, who aren't vaxxed and never masked, won't do their part out of spite, and the only solution for them is mandatory vaccinations or complete social pariahhood, and only one of those is realistically possible.
I did not live in the timeline where medical professionals advised people to stop masking after recieving the vaccine. Because that didn't actually happen. Masks were recommended long after the vaccines rolled out. And really, were never advised against.
Vaccines protect you, masks protect others from you. And the two operate on entirely different mechanisms and can be layered for greater efficacy at combating the virus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Generally%2C%20if%20you%20are%20up,protect%20yourself%20from%20COVID%2D19.
I'm sorry, what is it that you think those links say? Neither of them advise against masking.
The first says that cloth masks are advised against for healthcare workers, because they are not up to medical requirements. They still have value in community use, because any cut in rate of transmission is valuable.
The second says that masks are not needed in outdoor settings, because the risk of transmission is lowered already. Masks would make the risk even lower still, but there is an amount of risk most people are willing to accept. Still not advising against masking.
They both say it's unnecessary for vaccinated people, and the first one directly calls cloth masks a last resort when nothing better is available.
You can wear your security blanket if you want though, it's a free country.
I am so tired of you people.
It probably does get tiresome to talk to strawmen all day, I understand your frustration.
You linked to advice that says:
"Generally, if you are up to date on your COVID-19 vaccinations, you do not need to wear a mask in outdoor settings. Check your local COVID-19 hospital admission level for recommendations on when to wear a mask indoors and additional precautions you can take to protect yourself from COVID-19. If you are immunocompromised or more likely to get very sick from COVID-19, learn more about how to protect yourself."
That just isn't the same thing as saying it's unnecessary for vaccinated people.
Those words don't mean the thing you say they mean.
Have you checked your local hospital admissions level, fam? That's actually a neat little hyperlink if you'd look at the site.
Can you at least come up with better insults than security blanket?
I think the worse part of the pandemic was realizing that anti-maskers and the like have 0 creativity or humor and just how tiresome hearing the same 4 insults over and over was. It was like having an item not scan at the register and the customer say "it must be free" for the 30th time that day... But on a national scale.
Like you could call masks face huggers and make fun of people about to get a chest burster. You could call them stale air enthusiasts. You can call them breath checkers, mint reminders, mobile napkins. Possibilities are endless!
But no, we gotta put up with the whole anti-mask crowd and the like not only spreading misinformation and germs. But also being so un-creative and such sheep that they can only parrot the same 4 insults on rotation. Like at least make me chuckle or smirk instead of just boring me.
Is it really too much to ask for the anti-mask crowd and similar movements to just bring their game up a little bit above facebook mom minion level humor? I really don't think I'm asking for much here considering crazy conspiracy people in the early 2000's had some pretty funny zingers they'd dish out, and nearly every insult I got was unique. I miss that
I'm not anti-mask. I wore one, a medical mask until I could get enough N95s to cycle mind you because I'm both literate and care about results over appearances, until I got the vaccine, and then I stopped, like a reasonable informed adult not engaging in security theater.
But the immuno-compromised are of course welcome to their needed N95s, since liberal nations don't have the balls or desire to actually protect their most vulnerable citizens with a universal vaccination mandate.
Once again. Masks were not for your own protection, they were mostly for the protection of others from you.
So... If you took your mask off at the earliest convenience, once you were reasonably safe, it's very hard to take your concern for the immuno-compromised particularly seriously.
The fact that you self-describe your actions as that of a "reasonable informed adult" makes me wonder if you even understood other people's motivations at all.
(Edit, typos)
And wearing two condoms will make your partner safer, and every health professional will agree that yes, that's safer, but it isn't necessary or reasonable and they won't ask you to do that.
What? No, it doesn't. Wearing two condoms makes them more likely to break due to friction. I know it was supposed to be analogy, but for the love of all that is good, do not do that.
I think you pretty much made my point for me there.
Funny, you made mine just fine too.
That doesn't even make sense. It's just "no u".
I also understand why you would find it confusing.
I didn't find it confusing, it was just non-sequitur. But you clearly don't know how to read.
Ha, said the guy who doesn't know what a non-sequitur is.
I think people think "outdoor settings" means "not at home".