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"Welfare" is not socialist. It's something states implemented to prevent socialist ideas from gaining ground - that's how they ended up with the (so-called) "Scandinavian model." Like every other country in the west, it was an anti-socialist measure used to prevent working class revolt - unlike actual socialism, it does not dismantle power and privilege but actively protects it.
Social justice isn't even something that was implemented - power and privilege simply pretends to implement it.
I agree and disagree, I think the idea of welfare is/was well intentioned to work within the capitalist system by people wanting improvements, not an intentional crushing of socialist ideals, it's a meshing of the two.
I do think socialism would be better for the world long-term but it's not like attempting to integrate good social democracy policies is a negative lol.