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French President Emmanuel Macron urged Europe to "wake up" and strengthen its defense in response to Donald Trump's second-term inauguration.

Highlighting potential U.S. policy shifts, including reduced support for Ukraine and a military pivot to the Pacific, Macron emphasized Europe's need to reduce reliance on U.S. security.

He called for increased European military spending, robust aid to Ukraine, and guarantees for its security post-war.

Macron’s remarks underscore concerns about U.S. disengagement and aim to prompt Europe to play a larger role in global security.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is what gets me. I remember the war stories my grandparents told, I remember the nightmares my grandfathers had. These boomers are throwing away a country their PARENTS fought for, to people their PARENTS fought against. It only took one fucking generation to brainwash them.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The thing is, it was a close one that first time around. Prior to Pearl Harbor there was a small but strong pro-Nazi movement in the US. That's part of why the US was being moderately hands off during the start of WW2. Sure the US was shipping supplies to the UK, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn't much.

Japan really fucked up by attacking the US as there's a pretty strong argument to be made that that one action determined the outcome of WW2. There's an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn't happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Turns out the pro-Nazi faction in the US never really went anywhere, they just got quiet for nearly a century. Lets hope we can shut them up this time again.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Of course they never went away. Same thing happened with the US civil war; they didnt finish the job (and id argue it was probably the same groups).

Clearly, "the scouring of the shire" is not an optional part of the story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn't happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Seems unlikely since either way the Soviets did the bulk of the work of defeating the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is A: debatable and B: something that happened thanks to the lend-lease program. A lot of brave soviets put their lives on the line, but so did soldiers of many other countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Lend lease piled up around 1/5 of soviet equipment, or am I mistaken? Thats a lot of equipment, but still feels jusr like an extra push

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Only hope is that current bunch appear to be morons and sycophants, but they can pave the way to something much worse. Honor and dignity has disappeared from politics and surprising many stabilising things were reliant on that. Now everything goes and Trump will go like a Duracell rabbit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That's social cycle theory. Over the generations, people respond to circumstances and do things a bit differently, setting the next generations up for different circumstances and where the lessons from the past are forgotten. It follows a typical pattern that humanity is doomed to repeat.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't think it's the boomers. Gen x and millennials.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Boomers are the core, but they've gotten some reinforcements from Gen X and Millenials. The good news if there is any is that not enough of Gen X and Millenials are MAGAts to carry an election without the Boomers, so in another couple decades if a bunch of Gen Alpha doesn't turn real stupid we might have a chance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

That's been the rhetoric for as long as I've been alive. "Maybe if we wait for the next generation..."

Maybe if people fucking showed up at all, we'd have this fucking licked. Turnout has been historically high the last few elections... and it's still atrocious.

This isn't on the people who show up, it's on the people who don't. I don't care how much you don't like the options available, deciding to abstain in this is saying you want someone else to think for you cause you don't feel like it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unless, of course, the Boomers benefit from advances in medical care and are rich enough to prolong their lifespans. Then they could continue ruining the world for half a century!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

RFK Jr. is going to be in charge of US health policy. They won't survive long.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Only a very small minority will be rich enough to benefit from advanced medical care. The overwhelming majority will actually have shorter lifespans due to the gutting and subsequent collapse of the healthcare system in the US. The hospitals are going to be overrun with communicable diseases due to the influx of unvaccinated children and those who aren't receiving preventative care due to skyrocketing medical costs. That combined with the gutting of social security and Medicaid/Medicare will insure that most Boomers if they don't die in the next couple years will be bankrupt and struggling to afford basic necessities.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Thank you. This isn't a generation problem. There's plenty of young Republicans out there too.