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"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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their speech organizes and hate and destruction though
Hateful people will find each other regardless of my or anyone else's views on free speech. Very ominous statement though.
With that said:
Forcing the discussion into the open is not where any hate group wants to be. It forces them to find proof and facts where there are none. It makes them look bad.
nah, they were not empowered to put their hate in practice so much not so long ago, precisely because they couldnt be out in the fucking open without major backlash.
the free speech thing is beautiful in theory but in practice its just being used as an excuse to enable fascists. let me see socialists have the same openness in the media and we can start to talk about the minutiae of it properly.
Alright so expand on this:
We're half way there. Why couldn't they do what they were doing before?
Edit: If you're going to drop an ambiguous nuh uh, because "reasons" ...and then be unable to expand on that after 5/6 hours - perhaps be clearer in your argument. At present it looks a lot like you're attempting to muddy a discussion with unverifiable nonsense.
Because they werent allowed to be in the open as if what they do is considered normal and acceptable. They were rightfully considered a threat and treated like so. Its nothing complicated.
So lets boil this down -
With you so far - clearly. I think my comment was: Forcing the discussion into the open is not where any hate group wants to be... [continued]
... which is exactly what free speech enables. People say shit - other people respond. Freedom of speech/expression does not mean everything said is 'okay' or 'legal' - it means you are protected in your right to say it. It doesn't protect you dealing with the backlash of saying something stupid or hateful. How people choose to respond to it is also a freedom: and most people do not care for nor tolerate hate groups. It works itself out... and from the statement you made: I think you get that.
People frequently will say freedom of speech allows for hate speech - and reality is simply that you cannot stop hate speech from happening no more than you can stop any other crime. You can punish it though - after the fact. We cannot prevent things that haven't happened yet. This isn't minority report - we don't have espers or precrime.
...Which is the point I was making. So to be clear - you disagreed with my statements because...?
you are overthinking this way too much.
why is "nazis should not be allowed to be nazis in peace" so bad to you?
You keep saying this and not providing any credible points as to why two unrelated things are, indeed, the exact same thing.
This is, in essence, the jump you are making. If not - detail for us - how you prevent hate speech. No generalizing.
Aaaand go: ⏱️