this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2025
274 points (88.1% liked)

Technology

60521 readers
4792 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US doesn’t have a direct part in Gaza

This argument is incredibly hallow to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

hallow

Odd, because I didn't get it blessed by a priest. :)

Seriously though, there's a pretty big difference between doing the genocide yourself and supplying weapons to an ally, who uses those weapons for genocide.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think this is a very convenient position for the US. It fails to take into account the depth of connections between Israel and the US, and how much of the situation in Gaza can only happen because of the US.

Even if I grant that there is some genocide scaling factor because it's done by a vassal state, I still would argue the devastation of Gaza is certainly more far extensive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The US has very little reason to target Palestinians, and most of the violence from Palestinian groups have targeted Israelis. The US is far more concerned about other groups in the region, like ISIS, the Taliban, and the Houthis. The main reason the US seems to care is because they successfully carried out an attack on our ally.

vassal state

The US has repeatedly told Israel to scale back their operations in Gaza and allow humanitarian aid in, yet they completely ignore it. There's absolutely no way Israel is anywhere close to a "vassal state," they do pretty much whatever they want.

But yeah, Israel is certainly emboldened by having such a powerful ally. That doesn't make the US responsible for Israeli actions though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The US has very little reason to target Palestinians, and most of the violence from Palestinian groups have targeted Israelis.

The US has interest in having a foothold in the region. The foothold they've chosen is a settler colonial project that has reasons to exterminate the native population as settler projects often do.

The US is far more concerned about other groups in the region, like ISIS, the Taliban, and the Houthis.

These are pretty small concerns, the actual concerns in the region are the nation states that oppose US hegemony.

The main reason the US seems to care is because they successfully carried out an attack on our ally.

US aid to Israel did not start with October 7th.

The US has repeatedly told Israel to scale back their operations in Gaza and allow humanitarian aid in, yet they completely ignore it. There’s absolutely no way Israel is anywhere close to a “vassal state,” they do pretty much whatever they want.

Actions speak louder than words, and all of our actions seem to suggest they can do no wrong. So maybe consider that just because we say otherwise doesn't actual mean we want their actions to scale back.

That doesn’t make the US responsible for Israeli actions though.

The US is arming, funding, and blocking accountability from the UN. How many times do we have to reload the gun before the shooting is our fault too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

US aid to Israel did not start with October 7th.

Nor did the successful attacks against Israel. It has been in a precarious situation since its inception.

And yeah, the current reason to support Israel is to oppose Iran, that's pretty clear. But the US also doesn't want open war with Iran either. But the conflict with Iran is pretty recent, starting with the Iranian Revolution, before that, relations were pretty good. To be fair, the revolution was largely a reaction to the CIA regime change, but my point is that's not the reason the US supported Israel, it has always been about helping Israel defend itself from its hostile neighbors. Whether Israel is worth supporting is another issue entirely (I think it was a mistake).

Actions speak louder than words

If you're expecting a change in action from the US, you'll be sorely disappointed. At a certain point, it's more habit than anything.