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I’m of Russian Jewish descent but my family has been in America since 1907.
You’re getting downvoted because most of the world thinks increasing nuclear risk is bad. Because it is!
If there were an easy way to end this conflict it would of happened by now. But I’m not interested in nuclear war and MAD only works when both sides are sane. Does anyone look sane right now on either side?!
Also if Russia uses nukes they’ll get a nato nuke response. What’s the point of putting nukes in Ukraine? We can end the whole world in like 30 minutes if we’re fucking dumb enough.
I’m just downvoting them because they’re bitching about downvoting.
Eh, sometimes I do that (bitch about downvotes). It’s not the imaginary internet points that matter, it’s the confusion about why I’m not being understood especially when whatever I’m commenting is in general agreement with the rest of the comments.
That's a little bit different from the smug superiority being shown by the commenter in question here.
MAD doesn't require sanity. Only rationality by each side about their own chances of survival.
Don’t mean to sound rude but the first part of your comment was kinda irrelevant
Relevant to “Russians downvoting” because it’s fucking ridiculous
Herein lies the ill-logic of your belief set. You're not really exploring the Game Theory, here.
IF both sides are not sane (Putin), then it still stands as a credible argument to arm the sane side (Zelenskyy), for like you said, what is stopping insanity from attacking a defenseless victim? After all, through time immemorial the bully targets the defenseless, but second-guesses when they can get smacked back.
Moreover your argument only holds water under the false assumption that the insane doesn't yet have nukes either... But in this instance they of course already do.
What we DO KNOW about authoritarian tyrants like Putin — as exemplified by his extremely long table during COVID — is that they are terrified of death and seek not to be a ruler of rubble. Thus, when Putin sees that Zelenskyy has unilateral power to launch a retaliatory strike against Moscow, then that would indeed cause even the insane psychopath to reconsider. After all, what else is lost? Absolutely nothing.
Wouldn't a NATO membership be a similar protection without the movement and danger of arms? I can't recall what restrictions are left for Ukraine to join. It will of course piss Putin off, but anything does, and his whole fear movement that NATO is trying to take Russian land ignores the very purpose behind NATO, a common defense against attacks and invasions. Which of course Putin doesn't even agree they are doing even though they are actively within agreed borders. I mean, Putin's crazy, he has a fixation on remaking the old Mother Russia.
I am amicable to this as well. I wrongfully thought that Article 5 of NATO prohibited someone engaged in an active war from joining, but that appears to be incorrect and more unwritten / traditional. The nice thing with my proposal is that Biden could, to my knowledge, unilaterally do this without requiring other NATO members to endorse.
Based on what we've seen of Biden throughout his entire career, he is not going to do anything bold or decisive. He's excessively risk-averse and always falls back to weak half-measures.
Well, the biggest one is the fact they're embroiled in war over disputed territory.
This isn't a fucking game. Stationing nuclear weapons in Ukraine would literally lead to ww3.
So will the Russian conquest of Ukraine.
So now what?
I see a curious and complete lack of substantive response after I already elucidated with Game Theory (That you equate this to "game" suggests you don't actually understand what Game Theory is) the options at hand.
Ergo, my point still remains wholly intact.
You apply game theory to lower stakes situations like prisoners flipping to get their sentence reduced, not the chance or nuclear war.
Edit: For the record, you sound like a complete twat that nobody wants to be around.
What? No. Just no.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything else you said but this is very wrong.
For the record, you still haven't actually addressed the logic at hand. You simply keep, wrongly, suggesting there are limits where one can apply game theory when MAD of the Cold War is almost by definition textbook Game Theory.
To your Ad Hominem, honestly, I don't particularly desire to be around most of them all that much either so it works out. I have my loved ones and I'm content. Go to your parties and drink; leave geopolitics to me I guess?
Bonus history lesson:
Extremely childish and bullying.
I can guarantee by your edit, that your personality is absolute garbage and more likely than not, people don't want to be around you. You're probably not even aware of it because of your own narcissism.
I have plenty of friends. Lol.
Neither side is sane. We have belligerent Americans and putin needs to be a strongman to hold power in his country. That’s a recipe for neither side backing down and one side (who knows which) deciding nukes are a good solution.
Biden isn’t running america and probably hasn’t been for some time because he’s too demented but rather his unelected mystery team of advisors are running the place. All of whom I’m sure are handsomely paid by the “defense” industry.
Trumps coming in and well… trump is trump. Obviously not sane either. Complete narcissist. Anybody with more money than him who’s willing to massage his ego will have his attention and support.
Ukraine is a pawn. Zelenskyy doesn’t matter at all. This is a nato Russia proxy war that might turn into the real thing if we don’t find an off ramp soon.
and:
Let me just stop you there. I'm not interested in deep state qnon conspiracy theory lizard people arguments. These are literal Kremlin talking-points.
Get the fuck out, Putin apologist. I have no room for entertaining MuH BoTh SideS bullshit.
LMFAO I’m the furthest thing from qanon
Victoria neuland under the Obama administration (and I believe subversively as in not necessarily Obama approved which would explain his actions after) orchestrated the maiden revolution which led to the overthrow of the pro Russian leader and the installment of a pro nato leader. When Russia went after crimea in the subsequent power vacuum Obama refused to get involved because he knew where it would lead to - eventual nuclear confrontation. And now we are here, even closer to nuclear confrontation.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Russia decided to move under compromised and weak biden.
If you don’t think putin, the unknown people standing in for biden, and trump who’s about to come into power are all insane and not to be trusted, I don’t know what the fuck to tell you.
As for Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians, of course they have the right and duty to defend themselves from Russian aggression. When I say Zelenskyy doesn’t matter, it’s because Ukraine is a pawn full of valuable natural resources that the two major powers are fighting for influence over. How do you not see that!