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Summary

Elon Musk faced backlash from his followers on X after advocating for importing “super talented engineers” to address a shortage in the U.S. tech industry.

Musk likened hiring top foreign talent to building a championship sports team and argues that there is a shortage of talented and motivated American engineers.

Critics argued there’s sufficient U.S. talent being overlooked or underpaid, with some pointing to widespread tech layoffs.

Musk dismissed claims of low wages or training gaps, maintaining a need for exceptional engineering talent to advance innovation.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I don't understand how anyone thinks immigrants steal jobs. You can't just show up to a workplace and collect a paycheque, you have to get hired first.

Employers are giving jobs to immigrants. And they know it because they are the ones getting the visas.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Immigrants are in a more precarious position and are harder to get on board with unionisation efforts. The H1B visa specifically is designed specifically to undermine worker solidarity. If you're on a H1B visa and you get fired, your visa is cancelled and you go back home, to be replaced by someone else. There's similar incentives at play for undocumented migrants.

Any immigration that doesn't include a full green card is bad for all workers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I feel this is really this issue. In my own experience working in tech, I they HB1 staff does very well. And I know of a few that left to take jobs with other companies (who presumably also sponsored them) after 1-2 years, so the competition for fair pay was still there. They were also entirely men. I feel like it’s a way to make sure they get the people who don’t ask for too much, in terms of protection from labor practices and sexual harassment. With Amazon’s model being a complete PR and legal disaster currently. it seems to make sense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

It doesn't need to be a green card, it could be time-limited, as long as it's not locked to a single sponsor.

The big lie behind the H1B program is that the jobs cannot be filled by Americans. The way the jobs are advertised is carefully crafted to exclude Americans, requiring specific coursework and qualifications that are named differently from US equivalents.

I was in consulting and was a senior exec, I saw how the game was played. They should burn the whole shithouse down to the ground and start over. The way it works now benefits nobody but the billionaires, and billionaires should not exist until we are all rich.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t understand how anyone thinks immigrants steal jobs

Econ 101 Supply/Demand charts tell us that if the supply of laborers goes up, the price for each laborer must fall.

So it's less stealing jobs and more stealing bargaining power for pay.

Of course, this ignores the price fixing power of monopsony. Prices can also be low because there is only one buyer of labor (or one big cartel) in an industry that refuses to employ outside of a certain price range. If you pick up Peter Theil's book "Zero to One", you'll read all about how the end goal of a business owner is to corner the market and dictate price within the industry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Prices can also be low because there is only one buyer of labor (or one big cartel) in an industry that refuses to employ outside of a certain price range.

There's a lot of under-the-table wage-fixing within the industry. It's usually masked by the use of HR consultants for "benchmarking" of salaries (i.e., providing the desired answer for a reasonable fee). They then inevitably tell the employer that their salaries are higher than their competitors, and the employers use that as leverage to reduce salary increases or cut pay and benefits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Yuuuup. A lot of "illegal immigration"and often even the technically legal stuff is honestly closer to "human trafficking." They want people they can pay less and who will be too scared of ICE to speak up about labor violations and shady / dangerous business practices. A looot of nursing homes are staying in business while understaffing to the point of extreme neglect by hiring immigrant nurses then telling them they'll get deported or owe them $10k+ for breaking their contract or otherwise losing them as an employer. This is how you wind up hearing stories about a nursing home that had one nursing assistant responsible for 32+ patients, half or more total care who in addition to needing to be fed and cleaned also need to be turned side to side every two hours to not literally wear holes in the skin over their bones. In my clinical placement I saw a pressure injury from a nursing home so big the wound care nurse could fit her fist in and when she debrided the dead tissue you could see the sacrum underneath. The nurses at these places are too scared to speak up because even if what the employer is telling them is illegal they don't know for sure or it would take resources they don't have to fight it. And by the time the patient gets any help you've got those massive pressure ulcers. I'm very pro DNR just let me go ffs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Read between the lines. More unions in USA means companies have less guys to be robbed for profits. So they - especially Leon - need more workers for less money. Leon needs slaves!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

All Conservatives(=Sadly the today's "alt" right) want is to revert back to whatever status they deem fit. For Germany it's the Third Reich, for the US it's the slave times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah. sic In such fast changing times the best idea is to go back decades to make again all the errors we did step by step! facepalm

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

“Stealing” jobs is just Americans being willfully ignorant that these people are willing to work shit conditions, for less pay, so they can get that “American Dream” they’ve been sold so often.

Yes, you’re correct the corps are enabling it but the other aspect is our own citizens being ignorant fucks and not caring about adjusting their views because it would mean admitting they are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Enforcement of decent working conditions would be another way to rectify this situation, but guess which government agency enforcement budgets are always underfunded?