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[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I cannot explain how disgustingly evil it is to witness the suffering of individuals, whether due to substance abuse, illness, or homelessness, and dismiss it as untruthful.

The numbers to fix homelessness may be controversial, with some sites saying it was 20 billion in 2010 and that's just to provide vouchers for a year, and some fact checking sites saying it can cost $60 billion in a year.

The primary concern is the actions of a South African billionaire, whose net worth is $350 billion. Instead of recognizing the complexities of a significant social issue, he appears to dehumanize those affected and assigns blame, rather than offering assistance.

What a fucking evil take.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Those numbers all take into account existing housing assistance programs, which are used by mostly non-homeless people.

There are 250k homeless people in the US. For $20B, you could spend $80k per each person. Since many of the homeless are families, that's enough to buy a small house for each family.

But you still have to keep paying into the existing programs, or more people will become homeless. Compared to a quarter million homeless people, there are 4.5M households using the existing programs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

80k per person gets them a small house? It'd be more than one family to a house and for people without families it would be overcrowded atleast in my area.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

You’re assuming buying a house at consumer prices, not government prices. Government already owns a great deal of land, which is one of the most significant costs. Then it’s a matter of just building a modest home, which absolutely can be done for 80k. It would be very small by american gigantic house standards but it would be an actual house, which is infinitely better than no house

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

While the word is “homeless” the problem is generally not just “lacking a home”. It usually stems from things like inability to work due to severe disability or psychiatric illness, unofficial immigrants struggling to find employment, addiction, abandonment from family, not enough money to retire but unable to work etc.

Like don’t get me wrong giving everyone a home is great. But it won’t magically solve all the problems. And they might not be able to afford maintinance, property tax etc. Also if it’s homelessness due to lack of employment I question whether the 80k home will be anywhere useful for someone to find a job they qualify for, and if it will have any transportation links or anything