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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What right do we have? It's our imperative to spread not just ourselves, but life itself throughout the cosmos. Anything less would betray our base genetic instincts.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you're saying that life doesn't already exist in the cosmos?

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the thing - we don't know.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's highly probable that we aren't the only life in the universe. The only thing that makes it impossible is we aren't smart enough to know yet, but most signs point to that we can't be the only life in the universe

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We only have one data point. Until we have conclusive evidence of life beyond this world, we need to operate as if we're the only ones.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because that's what we know! Now you're just arguing for argument's sake.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No I'm not. Just say you don't have an answer for that haha

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My answer is that we have to work with the best evidence available because informed decisions lead to better outcomes...

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is that so? And what does "informed decision" mean to you?

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Making a decision based on the best evidence available... I feel like I'm repeating myself. Oh, I see. You're trolling.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is everyone who challenges your ideas a troll? Sorry. I'm still not trolling you OR arguing just to argue.

And let's talk about the best decisions. Did Vlad The Impaler think it was the best decision? What about Ghengis Khan? Kubla Khan? Nobunaga Oda? Mitsuhede? Washington? King George? The list goes on and on... So who's right, and who's wrong?

They all had the best evidence available, yet thought that the best way was to oppose a different idea

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then what are you saying? That we paralyze ourselves?

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What I'm saying is the best evidence available might not be the right evidence

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So when do we make decisions?

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All the time, but every aspect should be considered. For example, there was one commenter in this chain that mentioned the potential of bacterium on Mars. If they exist and we land on Mars then we inadvertently impact said bacterium and potentially impact Mars on a scale that we can't comprehend or at the very least understand. Is that right or wrong?

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, we should consider the possibility of life on Mars. But we've already impacted possible organisms by sending spacecraft there. Even if you sterilize your craft in an autoclave and send it through the vacuum of space for months to years, there's no guarantee that all terran organisms will be inert. Samples taken from an asteroid during the recent Hayabus-2 mission were found to have terrain organisms on them. If you want to completely cordon off martian ecology, you should've convinced NASA and the Soviets back in the 70s.

Bottom line is, we've already irreversibly changed the course of martian ecology, if there is any. What remains? Check if there's actually anything alive over there. The best way to do that is with boots on the ground. The best places to look for life on Mars are:

  • deep within the crust, deeper than any robotic probes can dig
  • deep under the polar ice caps
  • deep in caves and lava tubes

All of which are much easier to explore with humans.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I suppose that's subjective.