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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They don't need the hardware to run an OS. They need the hardware to run their AI shit for reasons nobody ever needs - except Microsoft.

So maybe it is not Microsoft closing the door for older hardware, but older hardware closing the door for Windows 11?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They need the hardware to run their AI shit

The requirement is for TPM, not parallel processing hardware. It provides trusted hardware, facilitates things like DRM.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are tons of low and medium boards that provide TPM, and they don't suffice, IIRC.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you read the article text? It's specifically discussing how Microsoft will not relax the requirement for TPM 2.0.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Which is on the market for more than six years now. That was my point. It does not only need TPM2.0, it also needs CPU and RAM in regions that are way more recent than TPM2.0

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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I feel that this is diverging from your original comment, but okay, Windows 11 -- as with all prior releases of Windows -- has minimum CPU and memory requirements. That isn't what the article text is discussing, but fair enough.

But I don't see any association with that and AI. This isn't parallel processing hardware being discussed.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

But I don’t see any association with that and AI. This isn’t parallel processing hardware being discussed.

The one big eater of CPU power in future Windows will most likely be AI. Most of which will probably be useless for the user, which is a common problem with Windows "features" in recent years.

I can easily see a Microsoft AI engine churning the users data in order to determine which ads to serve - in the start menu, the screen backgrouns, the login screen, or as blatant popups. If people notice that such a thing is seriously eating into their machines' power, they will try harder to kill this. Therefor it is the interest of Microsoft that the user has more than enough power. And this is just one example.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

The CPU is due to instruction set requirements. The first version of W11 is technically compatible (with hack to pass the checks) with older CPUs than the newer versions. And it's not Gusty's guaranteed that there ones that currently can run it will do it after a few updates.

I hate it, and they could have done things to allow more compatibility, but it's not without a technical reason.