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Short answer: No.
Long answer: it doesn't matter what fuels the vehicle. The community is called Fuck Cars for a reason. Except for certain situations where they are absolutely necessary (commuting using a personal vehicle is not one of those necessities) should not be a thing. It's a place where most agree 15 minutes cities, bikes, and public transport should be what everyone uses to get around.
Every time I read these kinds of arguments, my eyes are rolling backwards.
Fuck cars in cities. Yes. But what is about the country side?
What is about the farmer, producing our food, who is depended on a private car to reach the next city? Should he move into the city? And then? What do we eat? Mass produced meat?
What about shift workers in smaller cities?
Not everyone has access to Public transport all the time.
What is about people with disabilities?
Or neurodivergent people? I for my part are on the autistic spectrum. While I can travel shorter times with Public transport, long train rides are a serious problem. To many people and no control over breaks. And there are other people on the spectrum, that have it far worse then me in that regards.
There are many cases, where personal transport via car is the only viable option.
You argument is from a privileged point of view. A privilege that not all people have. Be able to use public transport.
If we want to be taken seriously, we must see the reality, and accept limitations.
And just for completeness: while I would love to have more then 2 busses a day to the next village, and a direct connection to the next train station, i also see that this would be not only a financial issue for the provider, it would also produce much more co2 then the individual transport that it would eliminate. Low passenger count but high vehicle frequency are a bad combination.
Cars are fine in the country side, they're also fine for people with different necessities such as being disabled or in the spectrum. I haven't anyone seriously say anything to the contrary. That's the most common straw man argument I see here.
Hopefully public transport would work at odd hours even in small city, if only at reduced frequencies.
This.
We needed better public transport. We need cities, that are not build around cars.
The argument that cars are never ok slips out fast. And it is fine in many cases. Especially if we are talking about specific scenarios. SUV's are never ok. I go with that. Especially if we are talking about American SUVs. These things are just completely insane.
The countryside should have better links much of the countryside is a chicken egg situation. I am sure the town with 50 people is a fringe issue, which I have no solution for other than better designing the town so you don't have to drive if you are shopping locally if needed.
Well the farmer can keep his vehicle to transport his produce into towns, go to farmers markets etc. I have no qualms for that.
Shift workers in smaller cities should be able to get a bus. Should.
You got me on people with disabilities. I did not think about that, but that does go two ways some people with disabilities can't drive and with public transport the way it is they basically get stuck where they are.
That one is kind of the point of this place a load of people pissed off that car centricity has caused it to be the only viable option.
Them's fighting words unless you include "bike-ish things" in that bike category.
My PEVs take up less space than my bike and work much better with public transit.