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Being pedantic by pointing out that the org you claim the US supported didn't even exist at the time you assert it was being supported.
What pedantry. Non-existence is such a minor factor.
The Mujahedeen 'split' between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance once the Taliban destroyed every Mujahedeen faction other than the Northern Alliance during the civil war in the 90s.
'Not existing' is a lot bigger than a 'name change'.
This is the only point you have even partially correct. The US is absolutely responsible for funding the war against the Soviets without bothering to care if that money reinforced religious traditionalism, and absolutely responsible for letting the Pakistani ISI handle large amounts of US-provided resources without any sort of oversight. The rest? That Sunni extremism isn't 'native' to 'Afghan culture'? That the Mujahedeen were just the future Taliban? Fuck's sake.
Jesus fucking Christ. Tell me you know nothing about the 19th and 20th centuries in Afghanistan without telling me you know nothing about the 19th and 20th centuries in Afghanistan.
Lol, would you really rather I be as pedantic and change it to "the US supported radical extremist within the mujahideen that would become known as the taliban?"
Yes, the mujahedeen had an internal crisis and split into mainly two different factions, as I said.
Lol, what do you think they just suddenly appeared from nowhere? Mullah Omar was a general for the mujahedeen, same with Mohammad Yunus Khalis. They and other important leaders around Kandahar formed the Taliban from the mujahedeen fighters loyal to them.
It literally isn't.... And yes the mujahedeen outside the northern alliance were just the future Taliban.
"The Soviet invasion and the Iranian Revolution not only led national uprisings but also the importation of foreign radical Muslims to Afghanistan. The mujahideen leaders were charismatic figures with dyadic ties to followers. In many cases military and political leaders replaced the tribal leadership; at times the religious leadership was strengthened; often the religious combined with the political leadership. Followers selected their local leaders on the basis of personal choice and precedence among regions, sects, ethnic groups or tribes, but the major leaders rose to prominence through their ties to outsiders who controlled the resources of money and arms.
With the support of foreign aid, the mujahideen were ultimately successful in their jihad to drive out the Soviet forces, but not in their attempts to construct a political alternative to govern Afghanistan after their victory. Throughout the war, the mujahideen were never fully able to replace traditional structures with a modern political system based on Islam. Most mujahideen commanders either used traditional patterns of power, becoming the new khans, or sought to adapt modern political structures to the traditional society. In time the prominent leaders accumulated wealth and power and, in contrast to the past, wealth became a determining factor in the delineation of power at all levels."
Lol, dude. Did you learn Afghan history from watching Rambo or something? All of this is fairly well known.
"The US supported the Mujahedeen against Soviet invasion, including radical religious extremists. Years later, after the Soviets left the country and Afghanistan had spent half a decade quarreling amongst themselves, the Taliban, a radical extremist organization formed in the mid-90s, would draw on religious extremism in the country to leverage into success over the fragmented Mujahedeen warlords in the Afghan government. This apparently means that the US supported the Taliban."
"split into mainly two different factions"
Again, you don't seem to actually be grasping how the Afghan civil wars in the 90s played out.
Did I say that? I explicitly noted the strengthening of religious radicalism in the country, but reading comprehension is apparently not your strong point, considering the wiki excerpt you posted.
They literally recruited from religious schools, largely not mujahedeen veterans, most of whom that were still interested in fighting were already serving under various warlords. Fuck's sake, does "Mujahedeen" just mean "Religious Afghan" to you or something?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Bruh, are you just continually quoting snippets of wikipedia here without actually reading them?
Literally none of that supports your point, other than the outsiders poured in arms and money into Afghanistan, which was never contested. Jesus fucking Christ.
"All of this is fairly well known"
Coming from someone who:
lmao
We're done here.
Lol, yes.
Sure..... Even though you've had to back track and largely agree with me.
Yeah, you are largely agreeing with me that the radicalism suddenly increased, my claim with supporting sources was that the religious indoctrination was imported.
Religious school created by radical sunnis with support from the US, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia.
Lol, all the leaders of the Taliban were higher up mujahedeen. What are you talking about about?
Lol, my dude.... in pashtun it literally translates to -strugglers or strivers, doers of jihād'
Bruh, can you not remember my original claims?
What are you contesting? Seems like the only thing you have a problem with is a pedantic dispute.....
The religious extremism is Saudi, the Saudi also imported this extremism into Pakistan before Afghanistan...
Again.... Another pedantic dispute.
Lol, making a lot of assertion with no evidence.
"By the 20th century, Islam made up as much as 99 percent of the population. The country's religious minorities such as Hindus and Jews did, however, enjoy "complete religious freedom" as of the early 1970s.[25] Men praying at the Blue Mosque (or Shrine of Ali) in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif The 1979 Soviet invasion in support of a communist government triggered a major intervention of religion into Afghan political conflict. The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (1980–1987) was a secular state; Islam united the multi-ethnic political opposition."
Gladly. You are clearly a person incapable of admitting they were wrong.
"Lol, no"