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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don't keep forever anyway.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

nah that's right. we've sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we've been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Probably on account of every window in every city being broken by shockwaves from bombardments

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

also ukrainian winters are notably brutal

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wouldn't plexiglass be a better thing to ask for during war time in that case?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I am guessing that outside of the frontlines bombings are still fairly rare events. Risk is low enough for installing proper windows, but high enough to ensure there are not enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seems weird to ask the US for glass when they can get it from a lot closer, assuming we're just talking about normal glass.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

they've been asking literally all their allies for glass. it's been a constant struggle for them to get aid, especially as the western countries they used to rely on shifted focus to helping Israel

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

And we're also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s literal economic stimulus, US sends them old shit, and buys new and more expensive shit from local military suppliers. This is the “creating jobs” thing the right likes so much, except when it’s against Russian interests

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yes, but it is really inefficient. If we simply ignore the nuke threat it would probably take the US a month of bombing to restore pre 2014 borders.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Good point. Chuck Norris-style thumbs up.