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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago (7 children)

is the s in esrtweets for "shitty"? because holy fuck are they shitty

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

no part of me is surprised that every famous FOSS personality has a ridiculously bad age of consent take, but it is a real fucking problem that this keeps happening

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're being perhaps too generous to consider ESR a famous FOSS personality.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

dunno, it’s definitely up there. maybe not a recent one, and I could understand people sub-25 perhaps not knowing the name, but across a fair bit of the foss space the name is household

unfortunately

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, he even gets mentioned by xkcd in the same breath as Stallman or Linus. (That it turns out the latter is the least worse of the three (he actually realized that being an asshole was bad) is quite the surprise).

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 1 month ago

That was way back in 2007. Probably close to when I read his stuff... but even then he was clearly still clinging to the Halloween Letters and seemed extremely old school.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's definitely up there, or at least used to be. The Cathedral and the Bazaar, his attempt to justify why Linux is more successful than GNU or BSD, used to be very much a part of the open source canon. He cofounded OSI. He forked some POP3 client to make his own bad and insecure one called Fetchmail, then refused to improve it.

Personally I'm happy to know he's become less relevant nowadays.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 1 month ago

Emphasis on used to. He worked fairly hard at becoming a household name, but ultimately his fame was pretty brief. Stallman achieved meme status, love him or hate him. Torvalds actually ships shit people use. There's just no discourse around Raymond these days, good or bad.

Every once in a while someone trips over one of the pitons he's driven into the wall of FOSS to try and climb it, discovers his abysmal takes, amd everyone promptly forgets about him again.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago

On top of the disgusting subject matter, why do these people think that even unlimited-character Twitter is a good format for posting these screeds? The site design, even on the main site, is absolutely terrible for presenting this much writing. Everything mashed into the constrained center column means way too many line breaks, meaning it's a chore to read. Same thing with that freak Ackman; whatever overwrought bullshit he was posting just made my eyes glaze over.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you find yourself saying

There isn't a single good term in English for people who are post-pubertal but below the legal age of consent or majority

you may already be morally diseased.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago

libertarianism.tweet

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago

yikes on bikes

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago

Least insane ESR post