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[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

If he'd weep at all, it wouldn't be because a woman says she wouldn't be interested in him because of his politics – it'd be because of what's become of his politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Ehhhhhhh, Lincoln was totally willing to keep slavery to end the civil war. The Confederates fucked up by refusing to negotiate. So he freed the southern slaves and ordered the South burned to the ground instead, ending the war by destroy their economy. He wasn't the abolitionist hero American history portrays him as.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Lincoln was totally willing to keep slavery to end the civil war.

The thing about Lincoln wasn't that he was willing to keep slavery to end the war. Virtually everyone was willing to do that.

Lincoln was willing to end slavery to end the war. This was the truly revolutionary view and the reason he's so celebrated.

So he freed the southern slaves and ordered the South burned to the ground instead

I don't think you get to rampage all the way into Gettysburg, looting and burning and raping and massacring your way straight through the heart of the Midwest, and then discover moralism during Sherman's March.

He wasn’t the abolitionist hero American history portrays him as.

He literally was, though. He wielded abolition, first as a weapon to bleed the Confederacy dry and then as a sucture to knit a new nation out of the 13th-15th amendments.

He achieved policy the most radical abolitionists hadn't even dreamed of ten years prior. An absolute living legend.

If only he'd made Butler his VP or... idk... ducked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't mistake me for defending the Confederacy. I can't disagree that they deserved what they got. War is hell and they started it. My real point is that if they had been more subtle Lincoln would absolutely have let them keep slavery. A lesson the modern South seems to understand well if the last few decades of the Republican party are any example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

My real point is that if they had been more subtle Lincoln would absolutely have let them keep slavery.

Lincoln wouldn't have enjoyed the majorities necessary to rewrite the Constitution without the Civil War. He'd have been in the same position as Quincy Adams or Filmore, two outspoken abolitionists who lacked the tools to functionally end the practice.

The war, the voluntary dissolution of opposition in Congress, and the massive depopulation that neutered immediate blowback left the door wide open for revolutionary change. And Lincoln - unlike his successor Johnson or even more distant successor Truman - walked through that doorway. That's what makes Lincoln significant - he was presented with a serious opportunity to affect change and he took it, when less lucky presidents never had the opportunity and less moral presidents never had the conviction.

A lesson the modern South seems to understand well if the last few decades of the Republican party are any example.

What makes guys like Trump and Bush Jr so horrifying is the fact that they did pounce on their opportunities to affect radical change. The Republican Party is seizing their moment and reinventing the country while the Dems dither, trying to extract as much personal profit from the decaying system.

The modern South is a consequence of bold Republicans capitalizing on a wellspring of white nationalism that's been bubbling up since the Civil Rights Era, while Democrats seek to apologize for FDR/Kennedy/LBJ and sell off a generation of progressive reform to the highest bidder. When you look at the Dem strategy in states like Texas and Florida, you see this in spades. Candidates falling over themselves to prove they hate student protesters and brown foreigners and union advocates as much as any Republican.

The lesson we're all learning is that you might as well try to reign in hell, cause heaven is a lost cause.