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The issue is you can't teach someone who not only doesn't want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.
That's where cult deprogramming comes into play. There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes. The rest of us need to do our part and educate, even if it doesn't always have the impact we hope in the moment.
We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?
I love your optimism. But it just won't work. We now know the majority of Americans are ignorant and uninterested in learning, even from mistakes. You can present these people with facts and stats and infallible logic all day long and it won't make a difference.
We gleefully voted in a convicted felon and rapist who ALREADY had a failed presidency and openly talked about being anti-union and anti-worker rights who stated on national television that he had the concept of plans.
The only direction this society is going is down.
Only one way to find out.
Pessimism may feel true, but just because something feels true doesn't make it true.
No one knows the future. But if we don't learn from out mistakes, it's likely we will keep making them.
We already haven't.
We already have.
It isn't just that we failed a test. We failed the most obvious test we could have possibly been given. This was the most blatant decision we're ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes. And we utterfly failed.
It's a week since election day.
It's a week since election day.
This was the most blatant decision we're ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.
You don't understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably. We aren't even done living with the negative effects of that experience. We have one of the most poignant examples in history of what creeping fascism/authoritarianism can lead to. There are people still alive today that can tell us about it.
We don't listen. We don't learn.
We're doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.
I was there. I'm from the 20th century. I remember the videos of college students on our campus running around late at night like chickens with their heads cut off.
We don't with that attitude.
I would love to see the encounter table you're referencing. Rather than assuming things are as bad as they could possibly be, they aren't, I recommend using humor as a coping mechanism. The former, assuming things, plays into accelerationism which falsely, without evidence, claims there is some bottom to how bad things can get. The latter, humor, is enjoyable.
Not sure if you noticed, but the attitude in America is dominated by proud ignorance and failure to discern real data from propaganda.
Not yet, but the stage is set for that scenario.
That time is past.
The people who know better have to educate the people who do not. There are people who aren't trapped in right-wing information silos who are interested in learning. But there have to be people who are willing to teach.
There are worse case scenarios after that one as well unless we work to make things better.
People are always coping. Might as well do it in a way that is enjoyable and doesn't require us to misrepresent our current and approaching circumstances as the worst case scenarios, when there are worse.
I was going to refer you to a doctor who is also a ninja to learn more about using humor to deal with stressful situations. But his website is down. So you get to read these instead.
This explains what RCPs and SSPs are.
https://docs.theclimatedatafactory.com/info/faq/whats-the-difference-between-representative-concentration-pathways-and-shared-socioeconomic-pathways/
These are SSP scenarios.
https://www.vox.com/22620706/climate-change-ipcc-report-2021-ssp-scenario-future-warming
This was considered to be the worst case RCP scenario. But I wouldn't be surprised if there has been some new work done on this.
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2020/09/the-worst-case-climate-change-scenario-could-look-like-this-we-need-to-avert-it/
Presumably researchers will need to start looking at what were considered to be less likely scenarios given the results of this election.