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I have no kids but I don’t have 3 money.
Turns out being the sort of person who -specifically- doesn’t want to deal with any of the responsibility even tangentially related to kids also isn’t well suited for the responsibilities of a regular 40hr/wk year round job.. or being an independent adult at all really.
(It’s me and literally nobody else I’m speaking about above, just for the record)
It's sobering to think that those of us with this mindset would have had kids anyway if we were born a few decades earlier. Society all but coerced everyone to marry someone of the opposite sex and reproduce regardless of their wishes.
I mean education does wonders for getting people to realize this about themselves, which is why educated women tend to have fewer children, and why a lot of cultures (globally, including many cultures in the US) discourage education either specifically for women or for people in general.
The next generation of broken people, raised by broken parents, are great wage slaves. Always have been, which is why we have child labor laws. But it happens even now, globally. Hell the US recently lost abortion rights federally, and many states are rolling back child labor laws as much as they can.
Personally I probably wouldn’t have had kids anyway because it’s a fucking chore to be intimate with another human I’d rather not touch (I’d 100% be an herbalist or spinster. The two major money-making professions allowed to unwed childless women in history other than prostitution, which.. I would just be bad at because I don’t like physical contact with other humans).
Buuuuuut.
Also no. Herbalists were providing abortive herbal mixes for centuries. Babies that were disabled or deformed were often killed or left to die. Contraceptives, even when likely to cause infection or death, were attempted. Women have been trying like hell to manage their family size for all of human history. We have records from. iirc, Mesopotamia about it. Like it’s always been a thing.
It didn’t always work, but it also, importantly, wasn’t socially frowned upon in the same way it is now for your baby to just die. It happened all the time.
You really got a lot out with that post eh? Appreciate you sharing though, you make some great points!
Not really, no. Frankly the whole thing is a major point of frustration for me and nothing but fixing it is going to make it better. I don’t have the power to do that myself, but I am obnoxiously loud. That’s what I can do.
But I’m glad it’s good points, that helps!
"But just wait, try buying a house as a single working class person! Not fucking happening! Try again once you marry someone who also works 40 hours and you might have a chance! But you might need to rent out one of the bedrooms to some poor single sap! Hahaha!" - the system
Capitalism abhors a single man. I feel like my no kids and 3 money lifestyle is basically discriminated against nowadays.
That's a stretch, and maybe true for you, but the world is full of people, such as you described, that haven't got that issue. Not wanting kids doesn't automatically make you bad with responsibilities.
It only makes you a person that doesn't want kids.
Edit: I can't read
Literally said in the comment you replied to that I was talking about myself and nobody else (and it was never edited) so not sure why you responded with this.
Apologies, I'm not sure how, but I never saw the last paragraph
~~Righteous indignation~~ a fit of pique will do that, and I’ve been guilty in the past of the same.
No worries. I’m not painting with a broad brush, I’m recognizing myself in a way the others relate to :)
Have a great morning/day/afternoon/evening/night, depending where you are :D
Edit - I didn’t realize that righteous indignation has a specific religious meaning. I was aiming for less religious and more just sort of …defending the downtrodden. Is there a better word for that?
Edit 2: I learned strikethrough for this edit and it worked!!
Try the phrase "a fit of pique."
Yes that’s perfect, thank you for bringing my attention to that phrase.