ID: line drawing of an upright bunny with a black bandana tied around their neck, holding a lit match in their mouth like you might a toothpick. The text says "we can't just vote fascism away, the time has come to disobey. (be brave!)"
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Violence is not any solution to political change. The elected president of the United States is Donald Trump, and while I and many others are not happy, violence is not any answer to an outcome you don’t favor. You people disgust me, and while I’m largely sure half of you live in Moscow, it’s still unacceptable and unamerican to even talk of violence like this.
Congratulations on siding with and enabling fascism! 🎉🎉🎉
E: Oh, and just to give you a clue, not that you'd let it penetrate your well maintained wall of wilful ignorance: we aren't the ones inflicting violence, we are the ones fighting back in self defence. You are the one on the wrong side of history.
I'm not saying people should jump to violence, but to say it's never the answer is nieve. Would you say Hitler shouldn't have been violently opposed?
Get organized and work for good. Build your community, join mutual aid groups, and do whatever you need to do. Also, be prepared for whatever may come. If violent resistance is needed, be ready. Hopefully it isn't but, as Thomas Jefferson said:
"[W]hat country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Don't give up hope. If they want to bring fascism, make them fight for it. Don't let them have it for free.
You are a reasonable person with reasonable opinions and are entirely correct. Those in this thread explicitly calling for violence deserve our condemnation.
Pro-Toupee people are Russian bots, pro-third party people are Russian bots, anti-genocide people are Russian bots, anyone who wasn't enthusiastically a right-of-center Democrat is a Russian bot.
I had no idea so many people are all Russian bots!
I'm not sure they are going so hard right now, since the election is done, but the Russian trolling strategy was to sow division by pushing every side of every conflict further to the extremes.
Like say for feminism, there would be some claiming feminists are just anti-man and want to replace the patriarchy with a matriarchy, others would be pushing the message that men are evil and shouldn't be trusted, while others would be saying women belong in the kitchen to serve their husbands and sons, and yet others would be complaining that men never listen. And they'd do all of this loudly with the hope of drowning out the more reasonable and moderate positions and make it an unsolvable issue because all sides don't think there's any compromise possible.
And once you know the pattern, it's visible all over the fucking place.
Agree, trolls sowing division among society are unquestionably everywhere, operating in countless way, some more direct, some more veiled. But why is it always russian trolls? Don't you think that others have the motive and tools required to influence societal behavior in a way that aligns with their interests? And don't you see how the very dismissing of opinions differing to one's own as trolls is in itself keeping us separated?
Yeah, you're right, Russia isn't the only one with troll farms. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some based in every country in the world. Not all of them state sponsored, but it's an effective strategy to disrupt communities and keep people from working together.
And you're also right about that last point. I don't know if there is an effective way to deal with them. Even if someone called out as a troll really is one, just calling them out can alienate others who resonated with what the troll said.
I'm not sure if there even is an effective counter strategy.
I'm tired of "being the bigger person". Four years ago, Trump wouldn't even admit that he lost the election. They're hitting below the belt, and we have one hand behind our back.