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Oh noes, I bet lemmy.ml users all switch.
And nothing of value was lost
Except their privacy—oh they didn’t have it to begin with.
You can’t lose something you never had
Isn't the point that they like a dictatorial government? Presumably they're okay with their every move being watched.
Considering how many trans folks exist on those instances, they think they are one of the "good ones".
Let's just ask our ol' buddy Ernst how that goes.
They like it because they either work for it or hope to work for it and be in a position of power.
Da fuq?
Surely you've realised your instance has a huge pro-russian, pro-china tankie presence?
Lemmy.ml admins me for being against Russia invading Ukraine and committing genocide lmao
If you aren't a tankie, migrating your account could be something to consider.
"Fuck the white supremacist reddit anti-tankie admins", I'll start my own reddit with blackjack and hookers at lemmy.marxist-leninist to host /r/communism - the creator of Lemmy and admin of lemmy.ml.
This is why I was secretly rooting for Aether to take off instead of Lemmy.
Yeah, people warned me before I joined and I dismissed it, after a year here I realize how bad it is.
*Blyat-jack.
Do you agree that the CCP was responsible for thousands of deaths during the Tiananmen Square massacre? Do you agree that China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs?
If you agree, think you might agree, or don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, you shouldn’t be on lemmy.ml
Yes to both. I absolutely despise both country's governments because of their actions. However mirroring the government's actions to individuals living in a country does not seem fair. I fucking hate my country's president, and would celebrate it if he died. Why should I get judged based on his actions?
No one's judging you based on his actions, they're judging you based on your actions. That being to have your account on an instance that supports those actions.
You’re not being judged. We are letting you know what your instance is really about. Stay if you want, but you don’t align with it.
I think it should be rephrased. 95% of people on lemmy.ml are probably sane, but since all their moderators are insane, it makes it look like everyone there agrees with them
That’s very possible.
Eh the massacring happened on side streets, local Peking residents were trying to keep the army from moving into the square not really knowing that other Peking residents had already briefed the army on who the protesters actually were, and what they wanted, and how they behaved. Once the army was on the square and set an ultimatum it was cleared with no or few casualties, the reports are a bit fuzzy.
That doesn't excuse the CCP in one bit, of course, or rather it doesn't excuse the hardline faction who couldn't stomach that others in the party were actually talking to the protesters as that would set a precedent that you can just turn up on the square and get an audience with the party, or maybe more precisely could boost the influence of one party faction over the whole.
The whole situation really can't be divorced from Hu Yaobang and his role in the party: The protests were essentially a wake for him and his ideas. Which the hardliners thoroughly buried afterwards and the situation in China hasn't improved to the point where Chinese would even be comfortable to criticise that decision -- you'd get invited for tea, if you can catch on to the euphemism.
If it had been up to the hardliners yes the army would've massacred the whole square, if that hadn't been their intention they wouldn't have mischaracterised the nature of the protest towards the army. Without ordinary Peking citizens stepping in, and getting butchered for it, that massacre would have happened.
And yes the Uygur situation is a genocide that's without question or asterisk.
The massacre is not and has never been limited to the square. It was the event.
Don’t say any of that on lemmy.ml haha
See there's the stuff that happened, there's the version that tankies want to believe (complete denial), which is actually different from the official CCP stance ("necessary and proportionate police action to ensure stability", with the implication "enough questions, comrade, nothing more to see"), which is different from western public... myth, I have to say. Back when the stuff went down western journalists didn't know what was happening, there were confusing reports, there were reports of violence, and then there was the tank man -- taken the day after (IIRC, but definitely later and no he didn't get run over). The collective imagination somehow constructed an image of the Chinese army rolling over students. Which is... metaphorically true, but not literally. And then the CCP is using that western imagination to spin their own tale of how the evil west is slandering them.
There have been plenty of years to get to the bottom of it, and I’m pretty sure the bottom of it has been found.
Truthfully, if anyone can give an independent first hand report about the treatment of Uyghurs in China (that is not coming from propaganda vehicles like the Victims of Communism Foundation), I would be most interested.
No, I am not saying this in rebuttal to anything.
You mean something like the UN Human Rights Office report that concluded "China responsible for ‘serious human rights violations’ in Xinjiang province"?
Yes. Though serious human rights violations are not the same as genocide and concentrations camps, as both the above poster and Victims of Communism Foundation wants us to believe.
That means in no way that those violations are acceptable.
And, likewise, the UN stating that serious human rights violations occurred is not the same as them all saying they aren't committing genocide
No, but I am not the one making statements. I only asked for sources that supported those made by others.
So now you know it’s real.
If you say so, daddy 🤠
Sorry, I don’t flirt with Wumao
Yikes.
And this is from what China let them see.
Individual incidents of sexual and gender-based violence are horrible, but not nearly the same as sexual violence employed on scale through genocidal concentration camps, which is claimed by US propaganda machines. Individual incidents of sexual violence unfortunately happen everywhere, and pretending otherwise is wilful ignorance of an endemic problem for the purpose of, what I have to assume is, an underlying agenda. Stop moving the goal post and stop using reductive argumentation to score cheap shots at China. If China really is as bad as claimed, which I am not categorically refuting, then make the proper case for it.
Any case you'll say it's not first hand and therefore invalid.
You also seem to have narrow attention span. Seems the bit about torture, forced medical treatments, detention... Somehow eluded you. You saw the word "individual" and held to that like a Chinese state doctor holds a healthy kidney.
But that happens everywhere, am I right?
Yet here you are, taking about some hypothetical "US propaganda machine", without making s proper case for it.
This brand of deflection, "well, I'm not denying, but we can't say for certain, and actually everywhere there are issues" isn't new nor very effective. You might need to update your training data, give it a few more cycles. At least don't throw it back to back in the conversion, jus much more noticeable that way.
Oh so That's why they are offline :-D !
They probably blocked that user since all he does is spam anti .ml propaganda on .world.
All while .world admins remove any criticism of their instance for "instance bashing".
Which user?
They will go down with the Russian ship.