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Europe’s Greens ask Jill Stein to pull out of US election to prevent Trump victory (www.politico.eu)

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Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.

“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah so the message so far has been carte Blanche vote third party. None of the nuance you're displaying here is evident in 99% of these 3rd party posts. They're all "genocide BAD, vote 3rd party or you're COMPLICIT!" so the message here isnt what you're saying.

Secondly, applying your logic regarding wasted effort because your state is solid blue, telling others to write their congresspeople on the issue is equally useless. Throwing the onus on them is shortsighted. The, "what have YOU done" argument doesn't really hold water with anyone, particularly when many people reside in a solid red or blue state

Finally, voting 3rd party sends "a" message after the election, not during, and no candidate ever looks back at the election results to ask Greenies why they didn't vote for them. They do canvassing before and during, and quite frankly they have to walk a tightrope between courting lefties and every other single-issue voter. Imagine you're running and you have Greenies yelling about genocide, women's rights yelling about bodily autonomy, and LGBTQ folks yelling about equality and all three don't give a flying fuck about the others. What would you do? Exactly what Harris is doing - courting the biggest blocs of voters.

I'm not gonna touch on the general laziness of my compatriots, but when I went to early vote at my precinct there were a lot of people voting straight ticket, so I don't think most people will dig through ballots to send that message. Frankly, Trump in power means nothing for down ballot votes because he still installs a fascist regime.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago

sounds like you think voting is a wasted effort in general. 🤷

They’re all “genocide BAD, vote 3rd party or you’re COMPLICIT!” so the message here isnt what you’re saying.

Genocide is bad, and we are complicit when we vote for harris currently. but thats because people are happy to vote for her mindlessly. not because the people trying to get her to shift are wrong.

Finally, voting 3rd party sends “a” message after the election

Oh I've been pestering my reps all year on gaza. and I continued to do so up through casting my ballot mid month in october. I'm just also able to happily follow through given the electoral makeup of my state.

Imagine you’re running and you have Greenies yelling about genocide, women’s rights yelling about bodily autonomy, and LGBTQ folks yelling about equality and all three don’t give a flying fuck about the others. What would you do? Exactly what Harris is doing - courting the biggest blocs of voters.

Well first off I'd recognize that most people are very happy not to support a genocide. and that maybe an administration with historically low approval isn't a good model for success. zionists are not the majority of jews. many are perfectly happy if we withheld aid to israel based on our laws. if I was running Id happily point out israel is in violation of american laws and as soon as they begin complying and stop murdering innocents they'll get their weapons back. So what we have here is a minority group (arabs) vs a minority of another minority group (zionists). in most states the loss of zionists wouldn't tick the needle materially.

LGBTQ+ are well justified and I'd support them; just as I'd support anyone seeking personal freedoms protections that dont infringe on others rights.

Women are more than welcome to raise the banner over bodily autonomy as well they should. the government should have not be involved in decisions made between medical professionals and patients.

I certainly wouldn't tell citizens to sit down I'm speaking, remove them from my rallies for no reason. I'd simply recognize the fact they're there for a reason and make time for them as part of the schedule as long as they're not too disruptive the rest of the evening.

You see, its fairly easy to differentiate oneself from harris' behavior. I certainly would have given arab americans a voice at the DNC for example. they asked for one slot for christ sake. would have been a lot harder to nail harris to the wall if she wasn't acting like a radical zionist on gaza.

Frankly, Trump in power means nothing for down ballot votes because he still installs a fascist regime.

it'd certainly be a problem, think maybe you can get harris to recognize her follies before its too late?