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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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IQ tests have proven to be a good predictor of job performance, health, and likelihood of being convicted for a crime.
The main study for this was the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which took IQ tests and followed the same participants throughout their life. IQ was shown to be a better predictor than family income, and other factors.
Being able to predict job performance has value for companies who want long-term reliable employees. It has value for schools and students so that those struggling can get additional help before bigger problems pop up.
do you think there are any confounding factors there
EDIT: actually, forget it, you've been deleting and reposting to try to promote this stuff, bye now
aw fuck, my baby’s first post defending iq got d-d-d-downvotes! the only high iq move here is to delete and repost it and then post a pop science youtube video that supports my point. that’ll show em who the real @mind in the room is
@dgerard @sneerclub IQ is a metric for how sneaky people are.
The conclusions made about IQ were done after controlling for factors like race and family income, which you would know if you even did a cursory study of the research behind these tests, because you weren't the first person to ask that. Controlling for confounding variables was always a big part of IQ research.
I'm sure we both know that race and family income will have a big effect on life outcomes, regardless off who you are as a person. To account for that, you can control for both factors and see how IQ impacted life outcomes when those stay the same.
According to the NLSY, a big study often referenced to establish how good IQ is as a predictor, shows that even with a race or income bracket, a higher IQ is linked to better life outcomes.
you know what, I'll bite
"just for kicks" I've run IQ tests at various times in my life, in various states of being (stressed, sick, tired, etc)
the variance I got on the outputs have been up to 40 points wide across many cases.
objective measure it is not.
proxy indicator, very much so.
the shit does not measure what you think it does.
@froztbyte @sneerclub Data point: at one time as a kid it occurred to a school counselor that maybe my grades were evidence that my supposed “potential” based on an earlier IQ test was wrong & that a new more modern version of the Stanford-Binet would reveal my imbecility. The 2nd test came out 60+ points higher than the 1st. That couldn't be correct, so I ended up taking 2 more tests, both with scores in between but substantially different.
Sure, IQ is real.
@mind @dgerard
IQ tests assume that there is a general intelligence that they're measuring. That has never been found and if it _had_ then it would be compulsory learning at school.
IQ tests are pretty good for measuring low attainment and problems, that's what they were designed for.
You know I misread this post due to the janky format of the new website and I just wanted you to understand as you go that I really thought you could have had something great with the version of this where you’re arguing that very defensive gamers are predicted to be more intelligent and do less crime than black people, but no: you just had to be the brainlet with the oldest fuckin’ “actually IQ test are real and magic” shtick on the internet
this is how we know nu-sneerclub* is a success
* much as nu-metal