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Either we're doomed and voting for the Democrats does no harm, or it's possible to pull ourselves out of this spiral and voting for the Democrats could buy us the time we need to do it. I can't see the future, I don't truly know which of us is right, and even if I'm right and it is possible that doesn't necessarily mean we will succeed, but as long as there is even the tiniest shred of uncertainty then it is worth giving ourselves every possible chance. The most powerful military in the world falling fully to fascism will go global, and it will end with a death toll unlike anything the world has ever seen. I'd rather not let that happen, if I have a choice. I may not. It may be too late, but even if I wanted to run, where would I be safe from the US? There is no such place.
ok sure buddy, good luck with your rigged elections. If I were you I'd be armed to the teeth and forming a militia with like minded people or making plans to get the fuck out of there, literally anywhere, before the fascists take full control. Fascists don't care about elections it is totally a joke to them. Fascists will push the country to a crisis and seize power, like Hitler did, and Mussolini did, neither of whom won an election.
Classic USian narcissism. Literally the entire rest of the world is going to resist and we will be victorious. Luckily for us Americans are for the most part completely incompetent.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't believe the US is invincible or will beat the whole rest of the world or anything like that. In the end fascists always fail, because they're not actually good at running countries.
Be real though. Just because the US isn't invincible doesn't mean the US military can't choose to eradicate any one location on Earth and no one can stop them. All that air and naval power means nowhere is safe from a strike. And that's before we start talking about giving a fully fascist government access to a cartoonishly oversized nuclear arsenal. When things go badly enough for them, there is a very real chance they hit the F you button and take everyone else down with them.
Also, let's be real again, not everyone is going to be on the other side. The US has a lot of allies, and it's not the only place where fascism is on the rise. The capacity for destruction is like nothing the world has ever seen, and I especially wouldn't want to be in a place like Mexico, given the proximity and all the fascist propaganda about Mexicans.
The American system is designed to block you from changing it. So unless you are willing to run you are going to die.
You're the one advocating for doing nothing.
You are advocating for working within a broken system. You are going to die unless you get your head out of your ass. I'm also blocking you because I don't believe you have anything worthwhile to read. Get out now before its too late.
Fuck the USA.
Broken things can be fixed. You don't always have to give up and throw it away.