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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Re: harder to change, your electoral logic is already self-defeatjng. What do you think you are changing when your electoral logic is, "fall in line vite blue no matter who" including fucking genocide. Who would ever take you seriously? You think they're going to do anything to "win your vote"? Genocide apologist, they know they already have it. You announced you were giving it to them free of charge, that you will tolerate anything they do and still vote for them, and are actually pressuring others to do the same on their behalf.

The correct time to express such thoughts is during a primary. We didn't have one because we had an incumbent; it happens.

The better place to have this fight is through congress anyways. They're the ones that actually approve the aid.

Better yet, go talk to the Israel people and get them to vote for someone that stops using our weapons in such an offensive manor. Israel knows that their position is critical to the US interest and their current leaders are happy to exploit that.

Literally, abstaining makes you part of the "party of not voting" and nobody does anything for them, because they don't vote.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

The correct time to express such thoughts is during a primary. We didn't have one because we had an incumbent; it happens.

There is no wrong time to be against genocide. It is, in fact, your basic duty as a human being claiming to have any empathu whatsoever.

The better place to have this fight is through congress anyways. They're the ones that actually approve the aid.

Despite your pretense of knowing familiarity with how the system works, Buden has been bypassing Congress to send weapons to Israel for their genocide. Good ol' JDAMs produced right here in the US of A, even.

Better yet, go talk to the Israel people and get them to vote for someone that stops using our weapons in such an offensive manor.

Israel is a settler-colonial state whose material interests are deeply tied to the dehumanization and oppression of Palestinians. There is no chance for a grassroots mobilization within Israel against the genocide. They want more blood than Bibi gives them. The most helpful thing for someone in the refion to do is to work directly to against Israel and their own governments' complicity. The US has similar challenges in its material base and society but I am succeeding in my organizing goals here. Every person in the US has a responsibility to work against its war machine.

And Israel is not a separate actor, here. It is fully dependent on the US.

Israel knows that their position is critical to the US interest and their current leaders are happy to exploit that.

Right, they are actually close collaborators. You should work against them.

Literally, abstaining makes you part of the "party of not voting" and nobody does anything for them, because they don't vote.

You should not vote for genociders or tell others to do so. Whether that means abstaining is up to the individual. I don't really care. But you need to shed this idea that you are fighting the good fight by supporting genocide, you are actively harmful to working for the good of humanity. Instead of sheepdogging for Dems, join the people with empathy and organize against imperialism.