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Phoronix: Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted (www.phoronix.com)

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Everyone who disagrees with me is a paid russian troll of course. Nobody would oppose blacklisting people based on nothing but their nationality unless they were getting paid for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I guess it's difficult to otherwise explain the position you have? It's not like people face criminal charges in Russia just for speaking against it. It's easy to see how the state would want to introduce backdoors to most western systems.

It's extremely sad that a lot of good Russians get swooped in this. But even abroad their lives are in danger to fight the state.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I doubt if someone wants to introduce a backdoor, they would do that with a russian mailing address. People removed were open and transparent about their nationalities which means there is even less chance them being bad actors than some random guy pretending to be American.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Aren't the removed commiters with direct access to the kernel? It's not like it's some rando that makes pull requests.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think you’re making up a world in your head. Who are these “lots” of “good” Russians who are abroad and whose lives are in realistically danger of state assassination? Not that it has never happened, but you’re blowing things out of proportion. Probably Russia does it at a scale roughly similar to the US.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I think you’re making up a world in your head.

My friend, they poisoned people in the UK with a fucking nerve agent. They are so brazen and open about people being killed for not doing that the Kremlin tells them.

They have purposely made a meme out of the "suspiciously fell from window" thing, because they want people to know exactly what happens and why.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nerve agents compared to drone strikes look humane and civilized.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Disagree. Chemical warfare is an entirely different beast.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

We're talking about poisoning a single person not a gas cloud. Poisoning a single person vs drone striking a wedding.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

they poisoned people in the UK with a fucking nerve agent.

Yes, they did. How often is that happening? Proportion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We're not talking about taking out former spies in foreign, sovereign nations you dolt. I used that as an example to show just how brazen and open they are about this stuff. Using such a dangerous method, on foreign soil, is basically unheard of.

If you actually want to talk about frequency, we should be looking at the defenestration cases...

This shit is happening so frequently that there are several wiki pages dedicated to listing them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_in_2022

Scroll down to "see also" for a long list of related articles about the Russian government assassinating citizens and low-level bureaucrats.

Assuming you actually give a shit

EDIT: apparently Lemmy markdown doesn't like the link. For anyone who can't figure out why it's not working, or for some weird reason thinks I would make up a wiki page with a title that specific:

Suspicious deaths of notable Russians in 2022–2024

And, again, after checking out the main article, take a look at the "see also" section.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.

In any case, the defenestrations I’ve heard of have been within Russia, not outside it.

Using such a dangerous method, on foreign soil, is basically unheard of.

Not unheard of. US drone strikes on US citizens is a no-less dangerous a method.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's almost as if the markdown on Lemmy changed the text of the link so it's not valid.

And you couldn't take the 3 second to fix it, and then actually learn something.

Well done.

You also seem confused about what we are even talking about. We are referring to software developers WITHIN RUSSIA. So the risk of defenestration is very real. Again, to repeat myself, I only brought up Russia using chemical warfare on foreign soil as an example to show how open and brazen they are.

I edited the original comment with a fixed link if you actually care

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Very nice link that not only does not have a list of names but also fairly explicitly explains that it is not talking about Americans killing Americans.

I am not going to spend more than 30 seconds on it but here is the first list of “lots” of Russians that are believed to have been assassinated by their own government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_in_2022%E2%80%932024

Despite your personal attacks, the trivially discoverable facts are not on your side.

I used Wikipedia since you apparently find it credible.

My favourite “suicide” of a notable Russian in the last couple of years was the one that had a suicide note signed by “illegible signature” ( what it actually said ). I guess the FSB did not totally understand the instructions.

Indeed A LOT of falling out of windows. Quite a bit of poisoning as well. These are the successful ones. How about that time they poisoned the entire Ukrainian peace team including the owner of the Chelsea Football Club?