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Some have labelled Israel as a rogue nation, but their actions are explicitly and implicitly condoned through other nation’s support and silence.
I don't think that's really the case though? I'm pretty sure most nations condemned Israel except for USA, but USA blocked all attempts from anyone to do anything. And when USA says that commiting genocide with their weapons is on the table, I doubt any country wishes to find out what would happen should any concrete action against Israel be taken. It's a big part of the reason why everyone calls USA complicit in genocide of Palestinians.
I have no reason to believe Germany's government condemns Israel's actions right now, and the way they always point out its right to defend itself, I suspect they actively condone them..
Yeah well Germany does seem a bit anxious for some reason when someone mentions Israel and genocide in one sentence, but if anyone in the world should have any reasons to be unreasonably pro-Israel, that would be them. And even then, their performative support pales in comparison to USA. IDF literally murdered USA citizens and USA congratulated them for that. That takes real dedication to the cause!
I’m German and though you are correct, I’d prefer if our nation had instead learned to oppose genocide and to protect Jewish people, not a far right government purporting to speak for them
I'm Polish and believe me when I say that I would also prefer Germany to learn different lessons from those your government claims to follow. The very idea that what nazis did wrong was targeting Jews instead of creating authoritarian stratified far right society that eventualy decided to displace and genocide people based on somewhat loosely described traits is not only a gross and dumb oversimplification, it's gross and end evil to even propose. Fascism fits the class interests of the rich and powerfull of today just as much, if not more, as it did a century ago. Germany government siding with Israel in favour of the genocide they're commiting is not just for show, they're very happy that defending genocide became a position close to political center. In my opinion, that is.
Just to be clear, everyday US citizens do not condone this shit.
Well in Idaho, just about everyone I know who lives there supports Israel. And in Texas there are a bunch of people criticizing Kamala and our state's Democratic candidate for Senator for being radically pro-Hamas.
I hate that I have to specify sane.
Both major parties and most US citizens absolutely condone this shit.
Oh, took a poll did you?
You stated a claim, the burden of proof is on you! Nice logical fallacy there.
Also yes Pew did. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
I hate to tell you this but we live in a dystopic world. The majority of Americans have the worst foreign policy and support the MI complex. We vehemently hate Arabic peoples and others from that region. And we really only support israel for our own imperialist needs. Look at the right's contempt for Jewish people but praise and support of thr state of Israel.
I'm not a part of your "We". Sounds like you're counting yourselves among them, which is kind of gross.
I know plenty of American citizens who are disgusted by the choices of the Oligarchy.
I guess when I said "everyday" I was implying sane individuals who aren't fox news homunculi.
Many US citizens do, though. Some Americans are happy to see Muslims die, and other Americans are happy to see Muslims and Jews kill each other.
We don't know the exact numbers, but Trump is running on a platform of overt racism, so a rough estimate might be in the tens of millions.