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can we just have trains already please (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Most of those can addressed by busses too actually.

Train has fewer stops meaning train reaches the destination faster

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) or any bus line can have less stop for this reason. To expand on BRT routes, they can be dedicated lanes for busses, with right of way. They can be specific only for busses, and cars not allowed to use it ever or also mixed usage where certain rush hours are for bus use only but outside those hours can be used by other vehicles.

Train has ultimate right-of-way, and doesn't have to stop for pedestrians on the tracks, red lights, or other things

This can also be done with BRT routes.

trains in some cities, go under waterways meaning more direct routes than busses

BRT as well.

there's more space inside trains and usually more choice of seats. Standing is also an option which isn't allowed on most busses

Busses can absolutely support this. Paris has more open busses to allow more people standing or people with disabilities.

acceleration and deceleration are more predictable and comfortable

With dedicated BRT lanes, I believe that can also be done considering there's only bus stops that need to be slowed down on.

Nearly all metro light rail trains are powered by electricity, while many city busses remain diesel

I know technically electric busses are possible, but I'm not certain how feasible this is.

My understanding is that BRT routes are cheaper and faster to setup than trains, and can be upgraded to trains. I'm not saying BRT is better than light or heavy rail, but that should be a more common path for mass transit that is not utilized in the US.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

For this discussion, you're really torturing the definition of a bus if you're going to use BRT to mean busses. BRT does not meet most peoples definition of "city bus" as the conversation up to now has suggested.

I’m not saying BRT is better than light or heavy rail, but that should be a more common path for mass transit that is not utilized in the U

BRT would nearly always be a zero sum solution to make your statement true. You would have to subtract from current roads that accommodate traffic to create BRT to meet your metric. Land, espeically in dense cities is nearly always already allocated. If anything besides the zero sum BRT, light rail would likely be a better choice than BRT because it can subterranean or elevated with fewer building challenges/dangers.

I’m not saying BRT is better than light or heavy rail, but that should be a more common path for mass transit that is not utilized in the US

I'm interested in an example of a city you have a in mind that BRT would be a better choice than city busses or light rail.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  • trains can drive at higher speeds than buses
  • train wheels don't emit microplastic particles like bus tires do
  • trains are significantly safer than buses
  • trains move on tracks which results in them moving in a stable and predictable way while buses often shake more which can result in people feeling sick (happens to me often when taking the bus)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

train wheels don't emit microplastic particles like bus tires do

we can help solve this by using plastic breaks on trains

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

finally someone who provides a solution to the problem!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

most politicians still don't know what the problem is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Hey, BRT is great! I'll happily support that rather than building regular car infrastructure.

I also still vastly prefer the train. Or a ferry, if that's an option.

Point not brought up by the other person: Bicycles. I am primarily a bike commuter, and have had one good experience with a bike and bus:

Last bus out of the city, like 2:30am. Driver has no time for our shit, tells us to bring them inside and hang on, to hell with the front rack. We didn't even pay.

I've also had my bike half pop out of said front rack, get taco'd, and got absolutely nothing out of it. Totally fucked. No restitution.

Best case with bikes on a bus is you get lucky and get a spot, usually you're better off just riding the whole way.

Trains, have room. Never not made a train with my bike.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Believe it or not, RTD (regional Denver) is building BRT right now. Blew my mind. I'm looking forward to it

https://www.codot.gov/projects/studies/denvermetrobrt