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Biden, Netanyahu Closer to Consensus on Attacking Iran (scheerpost.com)

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don't vote for her.
Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.

I'd like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are you doing to stop fascism outside of voting for the lesser fascist?

Fascism cannot be defeated through the ballot box. It is capitalism in decay, when capitalist democracy becomes unviable and the capitalist ruling class choose capitalism over democracy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, none of the above, but you're still not going to vote?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm dismissing your framing; I dont live in a swing state, dont try to convince me to vote for the lesser fascist.

My question is, do you care about stopping fascism or do only you care about delaying it for another four years?

Do you care enough about stopping fascism to put in work to stop it outside of election day and trying to post your way into getting people to vote? Like, seriously, are you interested in putting in actual work to prevent fascism in the US in our lifetimes? This isn't a gotcha I'm trying to set a baseline.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd like to ask what are you doing to stop fascism? You're actively stopping people from voting for the only person who can defeat Orange Hitler, so what are you doing to make up for that?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm doing about 20 hours of work a week as part of a socialist org, in service of building up a center of power to actually be able to challenge the lesser and greater fascist.

I'm thinking long term, because I'm not satisfied with "just vote for the less fascist party every four years as each party keeps getting more fascist" If all the work you're doing is within the confines of bourgeois sham-democracy you'll never be able to defeat fascism. Fascism is capitalism in crisis. You can either find a magic cure to stop the contradictions of capitalism from heightening or you can move toward defeating it.

The latter is the only one that has been demonstrated to actually work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

lol You support fascism. Look in the mirror, you dumb bitch. You are the problem. You are a Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I do so love it when leftists who have never interacted with me beyond reading a single comment tell me what I believe