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Many games, etc detect being launched from within a virtual machine and will refuse to run. I already run Proxmox here at home with plenty of virtual machines for various services like jellyfin. I've unlocked my 3080 to do proper hardware GPU passthrough and partitioning and even normal...non-pirated games will refuse to run in a VM.
I don't remember what program, but I remember coming across some people who didn't feel comfortable giving games like Valorant and Genshin Impact kernel level access so ran it on what they called bare metal or something running it off another drive. Maybe it was Ventoy?
Have wondered if a dedicated drive for just pirated software and games would help keep the main system safer with how cheap ssds have gotten. Maybe a way to run it off an external ssd while blocking off access to other storage that doesn't have pirated content?
Okay, was that supposed to prove a point or something?
The problem is that it doesn't. You running this one game that works, doesn't account for the huge library of games that don't run in that manner. It doesn't invalidate my point that spinning up VMs just so you can pirate games is a lot of bullshit to go through just to pirate a game that's gonna be $10, 6 months from now.
I mean, I get what you're saying, and yeah in your scenario it doesn't make sense. There are some people for who piracy is much more necessary
I dunno man, you made a point, he countered your point, and you got defensive and doubled down, sounds like the discussion is over
That's...what discussions are... point, counterpoint, point, counterpoint, growth of opinion, why would the discussion stop just because we might disagree? We can continue refining our arguments and both grow from the discussion. Why the hell are people on Lemmy so...weird? I've got so many of these discussions where people just devolve into name calling or accusatory statements instead of just...being normal. Don't you guys like to actually have people with different views challenge your opinion so that you can think about it more, refine, and have a chance to change that opinion? Have you been so neglected in life that you don't know what a normal discussion between people is like?
I dunno but me personally I love to play devils advocate even if I don't necessarily agree with what I'm saying 100% just for the sake of being able to hash it out with somebody other than my self.
I’m saying that it seems like you’re shutting down rather than having a calm discussion, you absolutely seem like the weird one here bud
You see?
You are a prime example. The reply you are referring to is nothing but a calm reply to the person who countered my original statement. He mentioned one game and my reply just points out...there's more than one game and his "point" only works in a narrow set of circumstances. Nobody is "shutting down" as you claim, I simply replied with a counter point.
But he brought up a good point...the game in question that this discussion is about does not have the VM issues you were talking about.
Plus based on your information at the start of the discussion about having GPU passthrough setup, it doesn't sound like you actually have a lot of setup to do in order to have tried this out, which sort of also works against the argument of it being too much of a hassle for a game that will be cheaper down the line.
It really does seem more like doubling down than anything else. The discussion didn't have any real point to keep going past "Doesn't apply in this case"
Like you can argue that it affects other games, but you just completely dropped the point that the present discussion it does not apply to, like no acknowledgement whatsoever.
The present discussion was in direct reply to my own, which was not about any specific game as you claim. It was about game piracy in general. His original reply to me was started as an insult. From his insult, I replied calmly that I was speaking in a broader sense. Are you not following clearly or something?
The argument I've made, but somehow seems to have flown right over everyone's heads (well, not everyone, just these weird few trying to start a fight?) is that spinning up VMs for game piracy is A: A bit much, because of the nature of the executables. You waste the overhead of another entire OS, plus the game, in an environment that isn't as condusive to performance. B: Limited only to games which don't have any kind of anticheat component, DRM, etc.
And while I can set this up pretty easily, I can easily surmise that there's a smaller and smaller portion of people who have the technical know how to do such things the more complex you've gotta set up the software in order to remain secure. It's easy for me to setup a VM. It's still far less than optimal to spin up a fresh environment for a game every time I want to play something new, hence calling it bullshit. Because it is. It's bullshit that I've gotta do that I otherwise wouldn't need to in order to remain secure.