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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

RCV is starting to get some traction in places. What we have to do is continue supporting that and not let the detractors shit on it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Even if it passes, i wouldn't be very hopeful. Look at Europe, all those countries have better and more democratic election system than USA, but there are fascists on the rise in each of them and shit like in France and Poland happen more and more. Also what's the use of having more parties if they still all represent the same influence groups (for example in Poland we currently have 17 parties and 42 independents on 460 seats in sejm, but you won't find anyone outside of neoliberal status quo).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

FPTP Britain says Good Morning 👋

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah i'm pretty torn on how democratic is UK, not only they do have FPTP but it's also A FUCKING MONARCHY.

Way out is realisation that they spent last centuries or at least decades on trying to stop being Europe in every sense. If they could they would probably do it even geographically, rowing their island to physically join USA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can't just focus on the bad and ignore everything that's good about these countries. Give us universal healthcare; give us socialized higher education; give us universal basic income; do away with for profit prisons and replace them with a system focused on rehabilitation.

So yeah, right wing idealism is on the rise but that's a global trend. These countries, in general, are light years ahead of the US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

You can't just pray that into existence. In Europe, social safety nets are eroding, because they originated as concessions to prevent revolution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Give us universal healthcare; give us socialized higher education; give us universal basic income; do away with for profit prisons and replace them with a system focused on rehabilitation.

?????????? Universal healthcare in all European countries is in the process of being dismantled, UBI is existing only in your fantasies, for profit prisons are talked here and there and if you think current ones are rehabilitating anyone you need to look closer.

Also where did i even say they are exactly the same or worse as USA (maybe in the same place where you seen implemented UBI?), and why you derail topic from specifically electoral system into general "badness"?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's also been outlawed in certain states. Many of those same states have outlawed voter led initiatives, meaning they have no recourse to change to rcv without changing the majority of their states legislators with people that support it and will pass it. You're talking over a lifetime of change necessary to undo that damage. That still is hoping that dems will actually vote against their own best interests once in majority control....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still more likely than a socialist being elected though :(

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

The socialist threat forces Democrats to support RCV.