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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm a native with prehistoric roots to meat eating and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR 15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most vegans views on native culture in that sense?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the main difference between you and the people from your prehistoric roots is that you have many other choices. You don't have to continue to hunt down many animals, because you can choose to buy certain foods and you also have the choice to buy plant based foods.

Whenever you have the choice to buy plant based foods, there is no chance to argue that purchasing animal products in that case is somehow ethical.

The only way to defend hunting for your own survival is when you don't live in a place where you have many foods available. Like, let's say you are on an island where there is no shopping centre or anything. You obviously need to hunt to survive. But if you live somewhere where many plant based foods are available, saying that killing animals is justified in order to get food makes no sense at all. And is certainly not ethical (Deciding to kill an individual being without any necessity can never be ethical)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Still odd how you're talking about people having the choice of what to eat while you reject their choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On the contrary. They are critiquing your choice, as you requested. And they did so quite logically too. The ability to choose your actions does not shield you from criticism.

And yes, you have far more choice in what you consume and how you live your life than someone a hundred or a thousand years ago. This means that, "well we used to live that way" is no longer a moral defense.

You respect the environment, you want to live sustainably, yes? Then how do you square that with meat eating being an order of magnitude more harmful to it? It takes far, far more land and resources to support one meat-eater compared to one plant-eater. Surely the land has suffered enough?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I guess I can't expect any sort of empathetic understanding of native culture from colonizers. Funny thing is I agree with you 90% of the way, but since I don't conform 100% to your view, you hate me. There's a word for that, starts with Fasc... Ends in an ism

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Bro. Nobody hates you. Nobody has made even the slightest comment about you. Nobody has made even the slightest threat against you or your lifestyle. You openly asked a bunch of people what they thought about your lifestyle and then got defensive when they criticized it. Vegans not liking that you eat meat is worlds apart from facism, and you know that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

What exactly do I reject?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm a person with prehistoric roots to eating humans and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat human meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting people in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR-15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most non-cannibals' views on my culture in that sense?

That your culture is "native" makes it no less unethical, and killing with an AR-15 versus with a traditional weapon definitely has zero ethical difference (if anything, a bullet is likely minimally more humane).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Curious, how is hunting with an AR unethical?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm guessing it's more about the standard round that it fires. 5.56 or .223 rounds are built more for penetrating materials so when they're up against a fleshy target, unless you hit them right in the vitals, might not cleanly kill and cause prolonged suffering. That's not to say that the gun can't be chambered in something that's more useful for hunting but having a 20-30 round magazine for hunting is still a bit overkill.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Most states have a limit on how many rounds when you are hunting wild game, 4-5 max capacity.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What's spiritual and ethical about taking a living being's life in 2024? There are just so many other foods to eat and ways to think about food that there just isn't an excuse to kill animals in my books.

Spirituality doesn't cut it for me. I'd for sure not like to be part of something like that